Does it work the way it's supposed to? Any bugs? I'm waiting for my copy to ship (I live in Sweden). It feels like you're ten and Xmas is coming up...

>>...Also... does the DEMO even support VEGAS integration?

The Boris people called me the other day and asked my how I liked my Boris Red download.

I told them tha considering:

1.) The demo does not have Vegas integration
2.) There is not even a current PDF manual for download

...well, I wasn't enjoying my download very much.

They did say that the current demo positively does NOT have the Vegas interoperability. And that they are trying to get a current PDF manual available for download.

So we waited all this time in the hopes of getting a good compositor that will work from within our editor and can't even try it out. I already know what Boris Red can do. I have 2.1 but wanted to see how version 3 integrated with VEGAS.

It's funny that they boasted about how it integrates with VEGAS... ask us for damn near $1500... then issue a demo that doesn't even do what they say it would.

I don't know about you guys but I'm not forking out the cash till I see it running from within VEGAS. We waited forever for this demo. I wonder how long we will have to wait before we see another demo that has integration. To some $1500 is not a lot of cash, but to me it is waay too much to spend in the hope that a software will work as promised. And we all know that with software there is usually a No Return policy.

Also, when I installed the Demo, it asked me for a serial number. I find it hard to believe that this is only a Demo Software. It would appear that if I were to purchase and plug in my serial number that it would be fully functional, including VEGAS integration. Is this not how it would work? If this is true then why is it not able to integrate in Demo mode?

Lamont

First, if you have a prior version of a Boris product, you should be eligible for the discount price, which I have seen stated as under $800 on other sites. Prior versions of RED itself would, I suspect, entitle you to a much lower upgrade price than that. You would need to verify that, obviously, but I'm sure you won't have to pay anywhere near $1500 if you own RED 2.1.

Second, I don't know about the demo, but I've been a RED 3 beta tester for the past year and I assure you that it will work in Vegas.

It's the first version of RED for the Vegas platform, so naturally there's been a lot for the engineers to figure out, including working around some unique characteristics (or limitations, if you like) that involve how Vegas hands frames to RED. The upshot of this is that, for now, at least, RED only has access to one static frame of a clip in the Vegas TL to which RED has been applied. That one frame will then show for the duration of that track within RED while you are constructing the effect. But obviously the dynamic frames of the acutal clip will be what you see in previews/renders once you apply RED and return to Vegas.

I was having one particular problem with the Vegas version of the betas that no one else on the beta team was experiencing. But I'm happy to be able to report that a complete reinstall of my OS (Windows 2000, SP4) just this past week solved the issue, so apparently this problem was with my system and not the beta.

In all other respects, the Vegas plugin functions identically to the stand alone RED engine and, in my estimation, seems very stable.

I'll add that many of the new features in RED 3 -- e.g., animated gradients, sliding tracks, expansion of the capabilities of the 3D renderer, the panoply of new BCC-originated filters, etc. -- are already "can't live without" status for me. And that doesn't begin to touch on the amazing preview speed enhancements for many types of compositions that are possible with version 3. Assuming you have a video card with decent OGL support, you will not believe your eyes when you hit the space bar (within RED) to preview, for example, some extruded text flying around the screen.

In short, RED 3 took what for me was already a stupendous piece of software, and a heck of a value, and made it even better. I couldn't imagine working in video without it. It is THE tool to which I turn when I want to create something with a major visual impact.

I'd like to point out that these gushes are purely my own sentiments and were in no way solicited by anyone associated with Boris FX. I have no affiliation with them whatsoever, apart from being an extremely satisfied customer who was happy to have the opportunity to test some of the new features as they were being designed and implemented.

Elizabeth Lowrey
Amore Productions

How would you feel about assembling a set of screen shots that show off Red working in Vegas?

Rob Mack

I asked the Boris people about the demo. They asked me to pass this info along and I figured you guys would be interested in what they were saying. I've never used the product and personally I wouldn't buy into any of the hype until trying it out. I'm waiting for the full demo. The message follows:

Vegas and BorisFx Red 3GL are two very cool tools- and they now work so well together that we want to show you all the integration. However that demo is in development, it should be along quickly.

So if I were to check the video effects tab in Vegas i would not find any Red effects because it is a demo? Is that correct? Currently, I have the demo and do not see any effects in Vegas that refer to Red. Just trying to figure this out.

Sorry I didn't realize how confusing this could be :)

1) The FULL DEMO is not ready yet
2) The FULL DEMO will show Red inside Vegas, not just the standalone app
3) THE FULL DEMO IS NOT READY YET!!!!!!!!!!!

there :)

Rob,

I checked to make sure I wouldn't be violating any NDA by posting screenshots of the beta I'm working from, and I got clearance, so I'm willing to do it. But is there host space here for photos (and, if so, how do I access it) or do I need to find my own space?

Elizabeth

The NEW BorisRED 3 Demo is out and it DOES offer the integration.

www.BorisFX.com

Lamont

It works with Vegas... sort of as a plug in. If you get the demo when you install you have the option of installing the plug-in PLUS the free standing application. So if you do that, you can try it both ways. I suggest you play with free standing demo rather than the plug-in to more fully see what it can do. I had 3 exception errors (crashed Vegas) in the first five minues all related to memory writes, so that didn't impress me.

My biggest disappointment is the very bloated price. They got to be kidding. $1600 for new users? And I don't think I should have to quibble like when I'm buying a car... to maybe get a lower price.

duh

I haven't tried the demo, but the working version does great transitions, multiple tracks on a transition, and has the ability to have as many instances of RED running as one wishes. Just checked myself, because as a BETA tester of this product, it's easy to get caught up in various builds.
BORIS RED3GL runs WONDERFULLY in Vegas as a plug in for comping or for transitions. The only issue I'm having at all, and it's an issue that is new to 3.0 is creating certain effects on 3D objects dropped into a container. Charting, rendering, etc all work wonderfully whether as DV, uncompressed, or TGA output via QT.
The reason for the delay in the demo for Vegas alone is because a demo for standalone came first, now it's for FCP, Vegas, Premier, Edition, AVID, and every other product that Red functions within as a plugin. That's a LOT of apps to release for at once. During Beta, my opinion is that Vegas has had far fewer issues than any other app for RED 3 to work in. There were/are quite a few of us still debugging, working with the tool, but it's as impressive as anything I've seen, particularly with an Open GL card. I love not having to render out and then come back to Vegas with a finished comp. Again, I've not loaded the demo, only the working versions.

Read the last sentence SPOT wrote above. I tired the plug-in and it crashed constantly so I gave up on the plug-in and have just played around with the free standing demo version. Only played with ia few minutes so far so don't know if it does what you want or not.

I put a couple screenshots up. Billyboy, you may be having conflicts with OGL, please mail me privately, dse(at)sundancemediagroup.com with your system specs? I'm running Red3 on 2 PC's and on my Mac, crashes in anything but one particular app have not been a problem, and the one app isn't Vegas. I'd like to know if this is a demo issue, because it's not coming up much on the discussion group.
is where you'll see screenshots of Boris3.0GL as a transition, not as FX. Hope this clarifies.

I was unaware you were on the Beta list for Red3. We've had an exceptionally active discussion group of testers, approximating some 25,000+ posts in the past year. It has been really refreshing to see that the early steps undertaken by the video team at SOFO/Sony back at IBC 3 years ago proved to get Boris working on the plugin early, and that it has been exceptionally stable since the first builds. Of all the beta builds, and there were a lot, only one build ever had crashing issues.
The new charting features, the new container features, and most of all, the new text features simply are amazing and constantly surprising. With Philip Hodgetts Intelligent Assistant (www.intelligentassistant.com) this new plug is something that every professional editor will want to have for Vegas. I've not even installed AE on my personal editing system, using only RED and Vegas, along with Photoshop and Soundforge. Nothing else has been needed at all.
Red3 is not for the weekend warrior video editor unless you've got cash to burn, but if you are a professional, aiming to be a full-time professional, or wanting to know Boris for other apps like Premiere, AVID, FCP, Blade, etc, then this is the time to get it while it's cheaper than normal, and while the training materials are still coming off the line. We'll be doing a Boris VASST with Philip Hodgetts himself later this year and in late winter next year. (Feb)
I believe Videoguys has a good price on RED as well. Might wanna check them out. Gary Bettan, one of their top folks, is a major Vegas user and fan.
Tell im' I sent ya!

The new Demo (more than 90 MB) works with Vegas. New transition and new filter. But the problem is: only one frame is visible in the monitor of Boris. Can't use the motion tracker, an another effects, obviously. Any solution? Thanks.

Erni.