Well, it had to happen. I finally got sucked into a Zippy thread.

Zip, or is it Mr. Galoo,

You better get it into your head that your "needs" will never be addressed, as long as you keep coming in here ranting like some Neanderthal every time you feel the need for attention.

Others have asked politely and now so am I. Get back to work or stop beating yourself up using a program that obviously doesn't hack it for you and move on, please.


Mike

Err -Sorry to interject here but I seem to remember someone from SF actually saying they didn't want Zippy to stop posting. I didn't see this as sarcasm. I reckon they were listening and probably are still even now they are Sony. I doubt whether they would reply because of Zippy's direct rudeness and we needn't reduce ourselves to the same, either.

We could all end up with egg on our faces if Zippy's requests were in the next release.

Or.. I could have egg on my face for writing this.

I actually find his posts fun in a way and have started to look forward to them - doesn't mean I need to reply each time, though.

I'll shiut up now:-)

You CAN rename any event in the timeline by right-clicking and changing the Active take name in Properties>Video Event.

You CAN rename any of your media in the WIndows environment.

You CAN control what rendered media will be named.

Do none of these help you?

Gary

I RUB STIX. STILL NO GET FIRE! I RUB STIX HARD!

STILL MAKING ISHTAR JOKES AFTER ALL THIS TIME.

ZippYGaloo, i don't know if this will help you; maybe your workflow is radically different from mine. However, i've never been confused about which generated media is which. I've never needed to know them by name ... ever. When i come to a spot in my project where i need to create a generated media event, i do so, and put it in my project. There it is and i'm done with it. I'm not sure why i would need to have a name for it after that point since it's placed in the project where i want it. Even if i need to move it around later, i'll be working on that section of the project and when the cursor touches it, i'll see it in the preview window. That's certainly a good way to identify it.

Maybe you could explain why you need to have them named. What is your workflow that you've created 150 generated media events first and have them only in the media pool? Why have you created so many before having places to put them in your timeline?

Jonny, I think Zippy is going for the poo-poo platter.

Look. Imagine you have a really long project (AN HOUR OR SO) with seven hundred twenty (720) 5 second clips, and you need to generated title cards to indicate to your viewer what they are looking at. Well, imagine looking at your Media Pool after you've placed all of those cards (not to mention cut, deleted, changed, moved the items, etc.)

Your Media pool will have 720 sequencially numbered "SONIC FOUNDRY GENERATED MEDIA" clips....THAT CAN'T BE RENAMED!!!...ANYWAY OR ANYWHERE MIND YOU!!!

Well that's fine and dandy, they're all there, but I CAN'T TELL FOR JACK WHICH IS WHICH. The only way to do so is to look at the thumnails in the media pool, or click on them. I CAN'T RENAME THEM....WHICH IS WHAT I NEED TO TO IN ORDER TO TELL THEM APART!!

LIKE I'M SAYING A REAL PAIN IN THE BEHIND!!!

CHEESE AND RICE PEOPLE!!!

AND DON'T COME UP WITH SOME EXCUSE THAT NOBODY WOULD MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THE ONE I'VE DESCRIBED!! THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU OR ME!!!

>>>>>AND DON'T COME UP WITH SOME EXCUSE THAT NOBODY WOULD MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THE ONE I'VE DESCRIBED!! THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU OR ME!!!<<<<<<<

Valid point! Related to this though is the even more pertinent point that rather than coming in screaming and yelling in a spoiled, demanding, me, me me, childish manor, one would gain more approaching things like this with a rational, logical, adult approach.

I agree, you must have eaten a ton of spit served with your meals to date.

MJ

ZiPee,

How about buying another NLE that does exactly what you want it to do? Oh? There isn't one? Hmmm, that's a problem.

Why don't you write your own NLE software? Oh? You don't know how? All you know how to do is complain? Wow, that's an even bigger problem.

Guess you're just out of luck. Perhaps you're in the wrong line of work.

Sincerely, I'd really like to help you out. Which way did you come in?

John

Zippy,

I'm gonna have to ask you to send in your Shift and Caps Lock keys.

Gary

Zippy you ignorant slut.

ZippYGaloo, so why can't you place each generated media title on the timeline where you want it as you create it? I understand that you may do some editing and rearranging later on, but i'm sure you have the majority of the structure of your project in mind when you start. For that matter, you could group the generated media to the clip it describes and then they'll move together when you rearrange.

It's probably just a difference in how we approach projects. I never use the media pool and have never found a reason to need it.

Zippy, you silly pinhead, you actually asked (I should say whined) about his very topic before -- about three weeks ago. Yes, I had some time to completely waste so I entertained myself by looking at your previous posts.

While you can't rename generated media, YOU CAN give it a comment in the media pool. Better than that, you can put the media pool in "Detailed" view (which would be useful if you have as many items as you claim) and move the comment header (click and drag) to the left-most position.

Now shut the hell up already.

Zippy, I'm with Kelly here. The only time I've used the media pool is to identify what clips I had in a certain project so that I didn't accidently delete them when I decided to clean up my hard drive awhile back.

I created a slideshow that is very similarto a project that you are describing. It had 4oo pics with most of them having some sort of generated media (text) over them. as I built my project I would place the picture on the timeline, place the text and group them. Why would you even need to refer to the Media Pool?

The comment suggestion made by JohnnyMac will do the trick. Although it is a lot of added work. I would be much better served if I could just name the clip in the media generator window WHEN THE TEXT IS FIRST CREATED!!

The reason I don't do it like you suggested Cheinworks is because I WANT TO CREATE ONE CLIP, that I CAN NAME MYSELF and if I decide to remove it from my project and/or use it elsewhere I CAN FIND IT IN THE MEDIA POOL instead of creating another generated media version of the same exact thing that is already TAKING UP ROOM ON MY HARD DRIVE!!!.... and on top of that....filling up my media pool with "SONIC FOUNDRY GENERATED MEDIA" HEADINGS!!!

So spank nice the pony and use that one Willard!

Well, logically, if generated media is not meant to be manipulated in Media Pool why does it appear there at all?

I can imagine projects where single generated media is being reused in multiple places on timeline. This is the only case when you need to find/identify it in Media Pool.

There are workarounds, of course:
- render generated media to file, uncompressed for quality. Name file, import.
- place generated media on a separate track (mute the track to exclude it from rendering), name the take appropriately. Now it's easy to locate. Anytime you need this media, copy it from this location to desired place on timeline.

But I agree that allowing to name generated media would make sense as part of the overall media management improvements.

Alexei

It's just generated media. If you try it I think you'll find he's right. There's no way to name it unless you render it.

Is this new forum look hard on the eyes or what?

Rob Mack

I think if you want to use Vegas for this you're going to have to do things the way Vegas will work. You can't make software bend to your will-certainly not by shouting.

But now I see where you were going with poster frames. Maybe your generated media fades up and down so you can't see the text in the first and last frames.

I think you'll have to render each bit of generated media as uncompressed. I believe someone has written a script that'll help you to get your 720 individually renderd files off of one timeline.

Sounds like you're doing a slide show.

Rob Mack

Generated media must take up at least 1 kb on the drive. Space isn't a valid complaint.

Rob

Is this the suggestion that Zippy says is "good but a lot more work"?
I mean the advice to "shut up, already"

Rob Mack

First of all, I'm not doing a slideshow. My 720 clip example was just that...an example, hoping to help others understand where I'M COMING FROM!!! Secondly, I've describe three times already why I would need to use the media pool.

By the way, WHY ARE THE GENERATED MEDIA CLIPS PUT IN THE MEDIA POOL IF THEY AREN'T INTENEDED TO BE USED?!!!