Subject:For Acid 5

Posted by: jazzspin

Date:9/15/2003 10:30:58 AM

Hi There. In short ;
1)Sonic foundry would produce a machine like tascam fw 1884 or digi 002 which could both record directly with the firewire connection into the acid five and than the pods should be automated and the mixing would be a breeze (daw mentality) . I would be the first one who would buy this machine. :)

2)There would be a mixer window that showing all the mixer functions in detail. it would be like in the protools 5.3.2 that i am using. it is so simple.Or like in the cubase with great detail like the pro tools with the same easy usage but little more detailed than protools.

3)There should be plug-ins loaded with acid 5 like it is in the fruity loops. It might be a drum machine , a synth , scratch generator (with a proper usage , most programs have it but mostly all are a piece of crap )... etc. So the vst power also be in it..

Subject:RE: For Acid 5

Reply by: Jessariah

Date:9/15/2003 10:44:19 PM

"Like"..."like"..."like"...

No offense, jazz, but I think half of Acid's current problems are due to it trying to be "like" other things. There's not a single thing you list that even comes close to how I use this app.

Maruuk was crucified in this forum a while back for saying, "just give us Rewire and to hell with the rest." To a degree, he had a point. This goes beyond the wishlist of this post, but if I want to record, I use Sonar or Vegas or Sound Forge. If I want to do MIDI, I use Sonar. Acid "Pro" should mean something. If anyone does this professionally, they'll have more than one "pro" app on their system. If a single "pro" app tries to be "like" too many others, then its initial brilliance gets watered down.

As I've said before, VegAciForge 1.0 may be the bees knees for some, but I'd prefer to see each individual app explore its own "specialtize." Why would I want multiple tracks in Forge? That's not what Forge is meant for. Acid is a loop-based app. -- the more time the Sony programmers put into MIDI, soft synth support, etc., the less time they spend on what it was intitially intended to be -- which is a loop-based app.

To me (if it's even possible) the MORE impressive thing Sony could do with Acid Pro is improve the way it stretches/transposes acoustic-based loops (vocals, guitars, pianos, etc.). That would make it better at what it was originally meant to be -- a loop-based app.

To me, what it boils down to is this -- do you continue to further specialize an app, or do you continue to add more and more in order to please everybody? Well, since "everybody" will NEVER be pleased, I'd opt for the specialized approach. I'd prefer to get more and more of what Acid was originally designed to do then to pay more and more for features I will never use.

JMHO

Subject:RE: For Acid 5

Reply by: Jacose

Date:9/16/2003 8:31:08 AM

....not i :)

I like using ONE app.

its just the way i am :)

Subject:RE: For Acid 5

Reply by: Jessariah

Date:9/16/2003 9:13:04 PM

That's fine, Squall.

I love Acid. If it was ALL I used, I wouldn't be able to do what I do professionally. But since I get paid for what I do, I will eventually stop buying the upgrades to Acid if it stops improving on what I use it for. If enough people stop buying the "new" versions, the new versions will stop coming...

Find out a way to use your paint gun to spritz your garden vegetables. Good for you that you saved a few bucks, but don't complain when your yard fence has streaks and your tomatoes are blue...

Turning Acid into an All-In-One app isn't the way to go. It just dimminishes what Acid is (was?) all about.

JMHO

Subject:RE: For Acid 5

Reply by: RasKeita

Date:9/16/2003 11:00:22 PM

This is a post I dropped into the 5.0 wish list thread...

Improve on the features that already exist in Acid. Perhaps refine Acid 3.0 as a VSTi that way Acid can remain stable and affordable. Retain the stability and actions of 3.0 get rid of MIDI and all the other new features. Enhance what has been shown to work effectively, dump the rest. Keep Acid what it truly is the ultimate professional loop based production tool. Adding all sorts of new features and functions would make 5.0 less stable then 4.0, and no doubt increase the cost considerably.

So my sentiments are the same as Jessariah, and as far as the response from Jocose about using only one app. Each to his own, but I find different appz each have their strenghts and weaknesses so to limit your self to one could be stifling. Case in point recording live drums can't be done correctly in Acid as it's not a Multi-Track sure you can record the entire kit. When I record drum kits I mic the snare,hat,kick,toms,cymbals and also use overheads for ambience, that can't be acheived with Acid. Cubase and Sonar on the otherhand. So I echo enhance what made Acid the supreme "professional loop based production tool" leave the other stuff to the appz the already do it. Finally compare prices Cubase SX 2.0 $799.00 Sonar 3.0 $500.00 Acid 4.0 $450.00 make it another Cubase with Sony as the manufacturer, and the price is over the top being as Sony normally over prices anyway...Just a users opinion...Level Vibes