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Subject:Duplicating a CD Posted by: lost Date:8/8/2003 10:29:36 PM Is there a way instead of going the route of digital audio extraction in tools menu to record a CD by soundforge 5.0? What I want to do is be able to change sampling rate and bit depth when I extract audio from CD. If you go to tools menu and click extract audio from CD it extracts audio from CD with 16 bit depth and 44,100 Hz sampling rate. I want to up the ante to 24 bits with 96,000 Hz sampling rate. How can I do this? Thanx in advance so much! P.S. I want to use "CD input", not "line in" input, so I can record/extract audio from CD rom drive in my computer "tower".
Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD Reply by: Geoff_Wood Date:8/8/2003 11:11:14 PM Whyever would you want to record a natively 16/44K1 signal as 24/96K ? The only thing you would be gaining would be more hard disk space usage. Do you imagine that by 'upping the ante' you are somehow going to increase quality in some way ? If you are dead set on obtaining a 24/96K/s file of a CD, you can either resample/bit-depth convert a ripped track, or use line in from an external CD player, or maybe from your CD-ROM audio output if possible by signal routing or loopback cable on your soundcard. The CD-ROM's audio output is likely to be lower quality. But the question remains - WTF ? geoff
Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD Reply by: lost Date:8/10/2003 3:49:36 PM What I am doing is editing the original cd by adding/boosting bass, or highs, changing sound of original mix of cd. I am mixing cd to my own taste--er sort of--. Let's say I want to eliminate vocals as much as possible, I'll cut out the mid range, "et voila", vocals are gone, well, er, sort of. I like to make my own mixes of cd's. I was under impression that the higher the numerical data you have, the more editing you can do. Everytime you change the data, you loose some fidelity. So when you duplicate a cd and you are going to do some "doctoring up" of the original sound data, you should immediately transfer to higher bit depth and sampling rate before adding all your edits/changes/whatever. Then when you are done with all of your edits, transfer back to 16-bit, 44,100 sampling rate and burn to new cd for your "custom mixed" cd. The book, Sound Forge Power, by Garrigus, talks about this principle.
Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD Reply by: Chienworks Date:8/10/2003 6:29:09 PM Use digital extraction to rip the track from the CD, then use Process / Resample and Process / Bitdepth to change it to the format you want. You can't do better than this by analog transfer, in fact, analog transfer would probably be worse.
Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD Reply by: Geoff_Wood Date:8/10/2003 11:37:09 PM Hey 'Lost', the amout of degradation from staying at 16 bits and editing is miniscule compared to what you are doing to the music. So I would recommend you not concern yourself with getting more bits. geoff

Subject:Duplicating a CD

Posted by: lost

Date:8/8/2003 10:29:36 PM

Is there a way instead of going the route of digital audio extraction in tools menu to record a CD by soundforge 5.0? What I want to do is be able to change sampling rate and bit depth when I extract audio from CD. If you go to tools menu and click extract audio from CD it extracts audio from CD with 16 bit depth and 44,100 Hz sampling rate. I want to up the ante to 24 bits with 96,000 Hz sampling rate. How can I do this? Thanx in advance so much! P.S. I want to use "CD input", not "line in" input, so I can record/extract audio from CD rom drive in my computer "tower".

Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:8/8/2003 11:11:14 PM

Whyever would you want to record a natively 16/44K1 signal as 24/96K ? The only thing you would be gaining would be more hard disk space *usage*. Do you imagine that by 'upping the ante' you are somehow going to increase quality in some way ?

If you are dead set on obtaining a 24/96K/s file of a CD, you can either resample/bit-depth convert a ripped track, or use line in from an external CD player, or maybe from your CD-ROM audio output if possible by signal routing or loopback cable on your soundcard. The CD-ROM's audio output is likely to be lower quality.

But the question remains - WTF ?

geoff

Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD

Reply by: lost

Date:8/10/2003 3:49:36 PM

What I am doing is editing the original cd by adding/boosting bass, or highs, changing sound of original mix of cd. I am mixing cd to my own taste--er sort of--. Let's say I want to eliminate vocals as much as possible, I'll cut out the mid range, "et voila", vocals are gone, well, er, sort of. I like to make my own mixes of cd's. I was under impression that the higher the numerical data you have, the more editing you can do. Everytime you change the data, you loose some fidelity. So when you duplicate a cd and you are going to do some "doctoring up" of the original sound data, you should immediately transfer to higher bit depth and sampling rate before adding all your edits/changes/whatever. Then when you are done with all of your edits, transfer back to 16-bit, 44,100 sampling rate and burn to new cd for your "custom mixed" cd. The book, Sound Forge Power, by Garrigus, talks about this principle.

Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:8/10/2003 6:29:09 PM

Use digital extraction to rip the track from the CD, then use Process / Resample and Process / Bitdepth to change it to the format you want. You can't do better than this by analog transfer, in fact, analog transfer would probably be worse.

Subject:RE: Duplicating a CD

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:8/10/2003 11:37:09 PM

Hey 'Lost', the amout of degradation from staying at 16 bits and editing is miniscule compared to what you are doing to the music. So I would recommend you not concern yourself with getting more bits.

geoff