Oops, bought a Dell

JL wrote on 8/8/2003, 3:42 PM
I'm new to video editing. I recently purchased a Dell and now I'm not sure it was the best way to go. My reasoning for going with Dell had to do with my decision to use Vegas.

Let me explain. In the early stages of researching various NLE alternatives, consensus suggested that the best PC-based systems were usually custom-built, and generally had some specialized hardware for capture and real time assistance. I went to a local shop that specialized in video editing systems and had a demonstration of a several hardware/software combinations. Vegas was not one of them, In fact, Vegas was not even on my radar screen at the time.

After a couple follow-up phone conversations and a return visit, and with the help of the sales technician, I narrowed down the choices and was ready to place my order. It was the last minute remarks by the technician however that started me re-thinking my decision. I was cautioned that the system "performs best" as a dedicated video editing system, and that the system really doesn't get along well with other applications as it can become temperamental and unpredictable. This was not what I wanted to hear. I wasn't in the market for an expensive, finicky, single-purpose PC. If I was going to shell out for a new computer, I wanted it for a variety of applications, not just video editing.

I then started looking for solutions that would run on generic systems, hoping to find a well-behaved professional NLE that could run on a system that could accomodate other applications as well. This led me to Vegas.

Ok, now if Vegas is the answer, what PC? The local shop would not configure a Vegas system for me. Not being a computer guru, I wasn't really interested in building my own system. So I guess I opted for what seemed the easy solution and ordered a Dell. Maybe this was a mistake based on what I'm now reading in this forum. The Dell does seem to be working alright so far.

I've captured about 5 hours of video to date without a hitch, no dropped frames. This with antivirus, internet security, screensaver, power panel, internet explorer, outlook express, all running in the background. I've set up dual monitors and an external tv monitor; these seem to work just fine. I've downloaded and burned SF's Sample DVDA Project on the NEC DVD +RW burner that came with the Dell. No problems that I can tell. The +R disk plays fine on both computer and three-year-old Pioneer home player. Also tried Spot's rendertest: 2.0 minutes; render time was exactly the same with- and without aforementioned programs running in the background.

All in all, I'm quite impressed with Vegas, a little overwhelmed maybe, but expected that there would be a learning curve. Hopefully I won't feel too hobbled by the Dell as I get some experience under my belt. Since I'm just getting started I probably won't know for a while. On the plus side, I do have what seems to be great editing software 'and' all my favorite applications running on the same PC; maybe a compromise, but so far without any major headaches - KOW.

JL

Comments

Jsnkc wrote on 8/8/2003, 3:52 PM
We are running Vegas on 4 Dells right now and haven't had any problems. Most of them are the Dell Precision 350's, Pentium 4 - 2.4ghz processors, 2 80GB hard drives, 1GB of RAM. They run pretty much non stop all day (and sometimes night) without any problems.
Chienworks wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:18 PM
It sounds to me like all is going well and you aren't having any problems. What makes you uneasy?

Also, what are the specs of your system? (processor, speed, memory, hd, os, etc.)
filmy wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:26 PM
From your post all seems well...yet your header of "Oops, bought a Dell" seems out of place. So I am confused...did I miss something?

In the past Dell was a bit iffy for video editing, mainly because the pre-built 'store bought' Dell's were extremely limited for anything to be upgraded or changed. Now Dell is following the Gateway model of "Just tell us what you want and we will build it...or just get one of our pre-configured systems...either way we are here for you!"

And FWIW - I use Gateway. I went with Gateway because the system I got had lots of room to upgrade and add too. I have used it and tinkered with it with no problems for...geez...almost 5 years now I guess. It was the first "name" computer I had ever gotten because in the past I had stuff built or put it together myself. If I had to do it again I would for sure go with Gateway just because I was, and still am, extremely happy with their service and options.
JL wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:31 PM
No sure that I'd say I'm uneasy, more curious that several recent posts seem to imply that Dell (and other brand name systems in general) use cheaper components and have a limited upgrade path. My system is precision 450, 2.4 Ghz, 1Gig Ram, 40 GB system drive, 120 GB video/other (both 7200rpm ATA), Windows XP Pro.
dvdude wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:36 PM
There's nothing inherently wrong with using a machine built by Dell to do video editing. I have limited experience with Dell (or any other off-the-peg computers come to that) but I don't think they're particularly evil or anything.

What little experience I do have tends to suggest that you have to be careful to get the right one for job - they tend to cut corners a bit when it comes to the specs of the internal hardware. They tend to be more difficult to upgrade later on because of the proprietary nature of the motherboard and (often) tight integration with the other hardware. I've even heard of situations where the OS can't be upgraded because of the lack of drivers for existing hardware. None of this will affect you if you're happy with what you've got.

I've built my own machines for about 15 years and I can't say that I haven't had any problems. But - it's terribly easy to swap out a single piece of hardware if I need to, something that has happened on numerous occasions. There's a lot more to it than throwing chunks of silicon in a box, shaking it up, and hope you end up with a working, reliable, fast PC though - if you don't need these capabilities, let Dell do the work, relax and be happy.

Andy
JL wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:42 PM
I was limited as far as the main components go. Had a couple choices for video cards, cpu speed, ram. No choice of DVD burner or hard drives, etc., unless I wanted to have them shipped separately and install myself.
simojo wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:42 PM
FWIW, I've logged many hundreds of hours on my Dell 4500, Win XP Home, and Vegas 4 without a hitch--not a bad system. But my second PC I built myself, using all good name brand parts and XP Pro. Not a hitch with the second system either, but I feel better with my home-brew PC knowing exactly what's in it.
JL wrote on 8/8/2003, 4:54 PM
Glad to hear that there are actually some who have had good luck running Vegas on Dells. From previous threads it did not appear to be the case. It would be great to have the know-how to build my own system but for now it isn't practical. Thanks for the encouraging feedback.
kosins wrote on 8/8/2003, 7:40 PM
JL,
Relax.

The beauty of Vegas is that it is not dependent on any particular hardware, computer maker's name, and it don't give a darn what video card you have installed.
(You might, but Vegas don't......:o)

Don't be alarmed by the people that hate the "mass producers" of computers, but take the time to appreciate what the "custom build" fans have to say.

It's all good, and your software will run well on any properly configured computer, regardless of the nameplate or sticker on the front of it. "Your gas milage may vary", but the trip is still as enjoyable.

I'm not a regular poster here......Yet....:o)..........and I'm not one to hang around "internet chatboards" too much, but I have to say that the people in this forum are some of the most knowledgeable, helpful people I've "ever not had the opportunity to personally " meet.

John

:o)
JL wrote on 8/8/2003, 9:42 PM
Thanks John. You mentioned the very reason I started to look at Vegas over the alternatives, i.e., that Vegas does not require any specialized hardware. Your other point about the helpful and knowledgeable group in the SF forums was right on the mark. Seeing that there was a broad group of dedicated and professional Vegas users out there influenced me toward Vegas and pretty much validated what had otherwise been for me an unknown software application. It’s great to have such a great knowledge base available and I look forward to tapping into it as I go.
DGrob wrote on 8/9/2003, 7:25 AM
"proprietary nature of the motherboard and (often) tight integration with the other hardware" - dvdude. I might add tight integration with proprietary software, e.g. Videowave, Roxio, and the like. I think this sums up my experience with my Dell. It took me a while to work out solutions (never did get support worth a dang out of Dell) to my initial difficulties, but now (and thanks to this forum!) I've got a working Dell that does all I need.

Next time? Sony? :-) DGrob