Subject:Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Posted by: Jacose

Date:7/19/2003 11:39:58 AM

hello, it has been a while since i have posted here..

but i was wondering, ever since the Rewire support in Acid, are there plans of updating Vegas to have rewire as well?

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:7/19/2003 2:25:46 PM

Since Vegas is a multitracker, wouldn't it be a little hard to implement ReWire, since Vegas does not follow tempo or time signature conventions as ACID does?

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:7/19/2003 7:36:17 PM

This is one of the biggest issues with ReWire hosting in Vegas. Vegas does not currently have a tempo map or any notion of "key". Vegas' tempo usage is really just a display property for the musical time ruler (and to provide a base for the metronome.)

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: AnthonyJarrah

Date:7/19/2003 7:45:09 PM

So what happens if Reason users want to rewire their project to a host mixer then decide to add multitrack recording to it? If you can't add rewire to Vegas then maybe multitrack recording to ACID? or else, buy Sonar. I don't mean to bring up the same subject again. But here's just another example of why ACID should support multitrack recording.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/19/2003 11:03:35 PM

well, actually, the tempo for acid sucks too, its just marker based... it needs to be controlled by MIDI... and then youd have to just slave sync vegas to it..

man this is complicated.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:7/20/2003 2:53:20 PM

"It's just marker based."

LOL!!!!

Get real!

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/20/2003 8:30:33 PM

get real?

am i missing something???

Its annoying as hell to have to put markers everywhere for the tempo!

or has it changed!??!?!?!?

well you didnt have to be a turd about it.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/20/2003 8:32:23 PM

ok i checked and i dont see any way to make a midi tempo track in ACID.

what is so great about using markers for anything anyway?

imo, its really annoying..


I mean, sure the key and time sig changes are good with markers, but to get realistic tempo fades up and down, its better to have a midi track for it.

what is your reasoning on this pch?

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: MyST

Date:7/20/2003 9:24:51 PM

"well you didnt have to be a turd about it."

How would you react Jacose if someone basically oversimplified the hard work you do?

M

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/20/2003 9:52:12 PM

do i have to describe how much i think acid rules with every critisism i make to ease the pain of some insecure overworked software engineer (not that peter is) ? I dont think thats what anyone here wants, and i totally respect the work of the ppl behind sonic foundry products.

thats ridiculous. I praise acid all the time, as well as other sonic foundry products, even ones that i only have demos for.

theyre all very simple, yet complex.

but i think the marker based tempo isnt really the best way to do things.

thats my opinion.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/20/2003 9:54:23 PM

and did you notice at the end of this post, http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=199924&Page=0

"man this is complicated. "

i totally said right there basically that i dont know ANYTHING about making software.

and i dont.

so, there, you can look at my first words and think im oversimplifying things, but then read on. i know that its not easy, and that it is very complex..

please forgive.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: MyST

Date:7/20/2003 10:09:32 PM

Nothing to forgive really.
I've read your posts before and realize that you think Acid is a great product, as do I.
Even if you didn't, you're still entitled to your opinion.
All I was saying is that maybe he thought you were over-simplifying his job.
Also, don't forget posts are very cold and impersonal. It's hard to tell what the other meant when he typed his post.
I'll give you an example...

"...but then read on. i know that its not easy, and that it is very complex.."

Maybe if I was lacking self esteem or something, I'd read that post as if you were saying it was hard for me to read on. However, I realize your talking about software developement. ;)

Peace, and have a great week Jacose...I'm going on a much deserved vacation! Yahoo!!!


M

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: AnthonyJarrah

Date:7/21/2003 7:07:41 AM

Although I don't know how necessary it is, this forum can have emoticons like other forums so that you can express your point the way you intended it to be said. Again, just a suggestion.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/21/2003 7:13:57 AM

you too MyST ;)

Subject:anyhoo....

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/21/2003 7:14:57 AM

anyway,

without the drama,

I was just wondering how hard it would be to set up a MIDI tempo track system in ACID.

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:7/21/2003 8:02:22 AM

Who is being a turd?

90% of the users here act as if you can't do anything with ACID! It is always about what it can't do vs what it does do.

ACID is not an instrument. It is designed to be a master tempo source, not a slave to a tempo source.

Having said that, I was not taking it personal, but just amazed at how the glass is always half empty around here.

We are aware that users want tempo curves, but your implication - to me - was that ACID's use of markers for tempo changes was in some way lame. I disagree. While I understand that tempo can be a dynamic thing in a performance, realize that ACID's intent is as a loop based sequencer. Granted many use it out side of this area - I do - and that having a tempo envelope would be a powerful feature.

Wanting more is a good thing, but the impression I get here is that with out the "more" you can't do anything. I find that very hard to believe.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/21/2003 9:50:31 AM

"90% of the users here act as if you can't do anything with ACID! It is always about what it can't do vs what it does do."

you know sonicPCH, you are right.

and i am sorry for my lack of tact in that situation.

I think that because forums are usually a place to complain and not a place to exchange ideas (it should be both, really...) you seem to get alot of the negative.

and i wasnt really saying that the idea of markers is LAME per se, but you have to admit that it is very hard to set up sometimes.

and i dont know if it is an issue anymore, but i remember i was trying to gradually slow down a song once, with loops only, and it had dropouts where the markers were, very small ones, but noticable.

so i was turned off by the whole thing.

"ACID's intent is as a loop based sequencer"

yes, of course..

and ppl seem to always want more and more...

but the thing is, loops tend to sound unnatural and boring sometimes. with tempo curves, the tempo can fluctuate in a way that makes things more natural.

I think ACID is simply THE best loop stretcher out there. I use FLStudio as well, and the beatslicing just is NOT the same as ACIDs. I have many different songs in both programs, and its not like one is BETTER than the other , just different.

You guys have really streched yourself to do what the users here have asked for.

MIDI, rewire, bus tracks, and much more, that have totally restructured the program since when i used the first ACID.

and you have even gone beyond that, with OPT, FX automation, and so on.

for this, you truly deserve much respect and kudos, and i hope that even though the anonymity of the internet somewhat masks me, that you can look at the person that uses the screen name JACOSE as someone who isnt a glass half empty jerk ;)

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:7/21/2003 12:07:10 PM

No offense, and yes the forums are for all types of comments - including mine, which some people don't believe I have the right to<g>.

I do understand that you are both a supporter of all of our stuff. I even appreciate that you are critic, and you have every right to be one.

I am touchy when it comes to our stuff. I am never one to say that it shouldn't be improved or can't be improved. I am all for advancment of the tools we produce.

Again, no offense, and don't change your approach or comments just because I voice mine.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:7/21/2003 2:36:01 PM

If it makes you feel any better, Peter, I support you good people 100% no matter what you do.

I wholeheartedly appreciate that despite a couple versions later, ACID is still, at its core, a loop-based music creation tool, even with all the extras (some of them really significant) now added. That's no small feat.

You gave me my musical voice, so naturally I give back. Bravo!

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Acid and Vegas ever come together?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:7/21/2003 5:13:46 PM

"don't change your approach or comments just because I voice mine"

yes, granted peter, but it is all too true that ppl dont realize what goes into a software program, and tend to run theyre mouths off about it. I just dont want to fall into that category.

But dont worry, Im still the critic/supporter ;)