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Subject:copyright info... Posted by: picataggio Date:6/15/2003 11:29:34 AM I read a very long thread about legal issues and everyone touched on using the loops to seel music. What I did not see was the following question. If I use one of the Loop CD's purchased on SF to create a song can I then copyright the song? If I can, do I have to name each artist used on the copyright forum? If I can not copyright the song, what legal rights do I have? It would seem to me that anyone could take that song and claim it at that point. If anyone could offer me a little clairity around this subject that would be great. Pete
Subject:RE: copyright info... Reply by: MyST Date:6/15/2003 12:44:36 PM "If I use one of the Loop CD's purchased on SF to create a song can I then copyright the song?" Yes "If I can, do I have to name each artist used on the copyright forum? " No. Actually, it would probably be better if you didn't. If you were to use Mick Fleetwood loops on your CD, I doubt you could have "Featuring Mick Fleetwood" on the cover. I might be wrong however. "It would seem to me that anyone could take that song and claim it at that point." No. If you've created a song using ROYALTY FREE loops (which SoFo loop CDs are), the song is your own. If you copyright that song, nobody can claim it. M
Subject:RE: copyright info... Reply by: cyberbeat Date:6/15/2003 2:50:33 PM Pmji, but if a song is copyrighted which uses royalty free loops and you use the same loops in another song of yours then aren't you violating the copyright law? I've always wondered this.
Subject:RE: copyright info... Reply by: MyST Date:6/15/2003 3:15:20 PM If the loops are royalty free, you can use them in your song even if Madonna(I'll use her for this example) used them. You cannot however grab a part of Madonna's song and use it in yours even if you're only using a part where the loop is soloed. Once you've "maniplulated" loops into a final mix and copyrighted it, THE SONG is yours. The loops are still royalty free for any one else to use. I could use a 2 minute drum loop from Mick Fleetwoods library and add a 2 minute bass loop and a 2 minute guitar loop and render as a .wav, burn that to CD and copyright it and try and sell it. Who's gonna buy it?? It's still mine. If you use the same loops Madonna used and in the same manner she did, and your song sounds way too close to hers...then she's got you by the b@lls. Pay up, it'll cost ya. As long as your song doesn't resemble someone else's, you can use the same loops. Did any of that make sense?? I'm kind of tired. :) M
Subject:RE: copyright info... Reply by: drbam Date:6/15/2003 3:51:20 PM It would be useful to just make the distinction between "loops" and "songs." Both can be copywrite protected but they are different things. If you rip a loop off someone else's song or work then you are in violation because its part of the "song" and really not considered a separate loop from a copywrite perspective. A royalty free loop is simply what it implies. It could be used in the creation of any number of songs or other original compositions which you may/should copywrite as your work(s). No royalites or credits due to anyone. If fact, you would get in trouble if you did imply that Fleetwood played drums on your record unless you were VERY clear that you used his pre-recorded loops that ANYONE else can use as well. Actually it would be more accurate to list Sonic Foundry in your credits than Fleetwood as that is who sold you the "rights" to use the material. ;-) HTH, drbam

Subject:copyright info...

Posted by: picataggio

Date:6/15/2003 11:29:34 AM

I read a very long thread about legal issues and everyone touched on using the loops to seel music. What I did not see was the following question.

If I use one of the Loop CD's purchased on SF to create a song can I then copyright the song? If I can, do I have to name each artist used on the copyright forum?

If I can not copyright the song, what legal rights do I have? It would seem to me that anyone could take that song and claim it at that point.

If anyone could offer me a little clairity around this subject that would be great.

Pete

Subject:RE: copyright info...

Reply by: MyST

Date:6/15/2003 12:44:36 PM

"If I use one of the Loop CD's purchased on SF to create a song can I then copyright the song?"

Yes

"If I can, do I have to name each artist used on the copyright forum? "

No. Actually, it would probably be better if you didn't. If you were to use Mick Fleetwood loops on your CD, I doubt you could have "Featuring Mick Fleetwood" on the cover. I might be wrong however.

"It would seem to me that anyone could take that song and claim it at that point."

No. If you've created a song using ROYALTY FREE loops (which SoFo loop CDs are), the song is your own. If you copyright that song, nobody can claim it.

M

Subject:RE: copyright info...

Reply by: cyberbeat

Date:6/15/2003 2:50:33 PM

Pmji, but if a song is copyrighted which uses royalty free loops and you use the same loops in another song of yours then aren't you violating the copyright law? I've always wondered this.

Subject:RE: copyright info...

Reply by: MyST

Date:6/15/2003 3:15:20 PM

If the loops are royalty free, you can use them in your song even if Madonna(I'll use her for this example) used them. You cannot however grab a part of Madonna's song and use it in yours even if you're only using a part where the loop is soloed. Once you've "maniplulated" loops into a final mix and copyrighted it, THE SONG is yours. The loops are still royalty free for any one else to use.
I could use a 2 minute drum loop from Mick Fleetwoods library and add a 2 minute bass loop and a 2 minute guitar loop and render as a .wav, burn that to CD and copyright it and try and sell it. Who's gonna buy it?? It's still mine.

If you use the same loops Madonna used and in the same manner she did, and your song sounds way too close to hers...then she's got you by the b@lls. Pay up, it'll cost ya.
As long as your song doesn't resemble someone else's, you can use the same loops.

Did any of that make sense?? I'm kind of tired. :)

M

Subject:RE: copyright info...

Reply by: drbam

Date:6/15/2003 3:51:20 PM

It would be useful to just make the distinction between "loops" and "songs." Both can be copywrite protected but they are different things. If you rip a loop off someone else's song or work then you are in violation because its part of the "song" and really not considered a separate loop from a copywrite perspective. A royalty free loop is simply what it implies. It could be used in the creation of any number of songs or other original compositions which you may/should copywrite as your work(s). No royalites or credits due to anyone. If fact, you would get in trouble if you did imply that Fleetwood played drums on your record unless you were VERY clear that you used his pre-recorded loops that ANYONE else can use as well. Actually it would be more accurate to list Sonic Foundry in your credits than Fleetwood as that is who sold you the "rights" to use the material. ;-)

HTH,

drbam