Edition 5 vs. Vegas 4

stevengotts wrote on 6/12/2003, 10:13 PM
If Edition 5 is any indication of my future with pinnacle products I’ll put it in the closet, and carry on with vegas 4, which reliably and consistently delivers more than it promises. Edition 5’s workflow is better in theory, but runs amuck with bugs and unexpected glitches in the trenches. I suspect Vegas will have multiple timelines soon and beat these prima donna editing programs hands down. Edition promises edit heaven but delivers bugs, spin, marketing and frustration. With Sonic Foundry my issues have been registration and all their products trying to share plug-ins, never reliability, compatibility or performance. Vegas works everyday, every time, something windows cant do. Edition works sometimes, after a reboot, maybe itll work fine, maybe itll work partially, maybe not at all. Pinnacle has managed to take a partially buggy program from Fast Video and turn it into wholly buggy program. Then I think I’ll maybe fire up Adobe premiere 6.5 and my DV500, and I think…CRASH !…unexpected and sudden and much to often. Then im back to Vegas…I think to myself.…A pleasant time….fun…creativity….projects done weeks ahead of deadline. No embarrassing lockups or glitches in front of clients. After my current film is finished, (which I regretfully started on edition 4.5) Pinnacle Edition 4.5 and 5 will find a well deserved retirement home in my closet. I cant wait to test drive and trash avid dv. Bet its as clumsy and tempermental as edition, only costing much more.

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kentwolf wrote on 6/12/2003, 10:58 PM
There are many former Pinnacle users here precisely for the reasons you describe...myself included.

It's too bad. Pinnacle DOES have all the bells and whistles, but their root product is extremely buggy and very unreliable...as you have seen.
Brazilian wrote on 6/12/2003, 11:07 PM
I will never buy a piece of Pinnacle software again. I was an unfortunate owner/victim of Pinnacle's DVD Impression, the most horrendous piece of crap I've ever had the displeasure of using. Same thing-- The features look great on paper, but in reality it's a buggy, oddly (and rarely) functioning hunk of garbage.
stevengotts wrote on 6/12/2003, 11:35 PM
Oh my Look what I have started. I thought Id be the only one ranting and raging.
filmy wrote on 6/12/2003, 11:43 PM
You know I am starting to see a link - Pinnacle and Premiere don't play nice together. I couldn't figure why so many people had Premiere 'problems' and I am seeing from this forum and the Adobe forum and elsewhere that it seems to be people who use a Pinnacle card with Premiere have issues. Since version 5.5 and expecially with 6 and 6.5 I have never had 1/10th of the problems with Premiere - and I am thinking that is because I have never used a Pinnacle card. Overall Premiere never crashes on me at all and I have used it now through Windows 95, 98, 98SE and Xp Pro and I started using it on a 486DX machine. Actually..and I know people will hate me for this...VV crashes more on me than Premiere does. (VV 4 that is - VV 2 and 3 never seemed to crash as much. But I do love VV..really)

So the lesson is don't use Pinnacle with Premiere? Or don't use pinnacle cards?
MJPollard wrote on 6/12/2003, 11:45 PM
Not bloody likely. :-) I've had the same (bad) experiences with Pinnacle Studio 8, which seems to be following the "one fix forward, two bugs back" formula. I really like its editing features, but the bugs... hoo, man! (And don't even *try* to make a DVD with that thing! Unless, of course, you're extremely masochstic, in which case have a ball.) If I *ever* use Studio 8 these days, it's for creating short title clips to use in front of my videos (its titles feature is outstanding, I'll give it that), but once I found Vegas 4 and DVD Architect... well, what more can I say?
stevengotts wrote on 6/12/2003, 11:53 PM
I think you might have something their. although the card made premere renders faster, it caused it to crash more. and to be honest most of my premire crashes came I think from not saving often enough.
DGates wrote on 6/13/2003, 12:01 AM
It's all about stability. When I used Pinnacle 7, it was nice enough, just not stable enough.

Vegas and stability go hand in hand.
prayergarden wrote on 6/14/2003, 11:03 AM
just to add my Pinnacle experiences to the topic. I have used Studio DV, Studio 7, DV 500, Edition 4.5 and now Edition 5. I had success with all of their products, after learning how each application responded to my computer. Most problems were conflicts with other apps. I now use VV4 because it is easier to learn with this forum and the wealth of other publications and DVD's. I will continue to stay current with both Edition 5 and Vegas 4 until I am sure of the future of each application. I do not wish to "start out new" again if either is dropped.