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Subject:Any commercial releases done with Acid? Posted by: boomanbb Date:4/27/2003 8:55:30 AM I work with a mobile classroom [www.technotrain.com] and we have Acid Express on board 12 workstations. I use it as part of a "multimedia experience" for various at-risk youth groups. We just finished a project with autistic children and they love creating music with Acid! Kids in general love using this program, but I want them to get something more out of it, like the fact that people are making a living creating music in this way. This message went over well when I worked with a group of juvenile delenquents. Does anyone know of any commercial Hip Hop, R&B, or popular music that these kids may recognize? I would love to purchase some music for them to listen to where they realize that it was created with the same software they are using. Thanks Ben
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: [r]Evolution Date:4/27/2003 10:12:59 AM The problem that you will run into with this is: When you use loops, you are supposed to change them in a way that they won't be noticed as an ACID loop file. The last thing any artist wants anyone to know is that they are using 'loops for ACID'. Can you imagine what this would do for their credibility as an ORIGINAL artist. Most of us who have played with this software for a while know tricks and tools that allow you to make the music NOT sound like it is just a loop file dropped onto the timeline. We change the pitch, the timing, add things, remove things, etc. just so you will not notice that is a loop file. Some of us even use other software to create our own original loops then import them into ACID. Their are many ways to disguise the fact that you are using a loop file, and most users use these disguises, including myself. Good luck in finding an accomplished artist that openly admits to using this software. Most of them will swear by Pro Tools, even if this in NOT the case. It's about them stting themselves apart from us. They don't want us to know how easy it truly is to make a good sounding music piece. (Although, there are many factors that go into being an entertainer. Making music is just the tip of the iceberg) These are only my thoughts. Others may feel different or maybe can add a bit more from different perspectives. Lamont
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: coolout Date:4/27/2003 12:24:32 PM it's kind of hard to tell these days. lots of people use acid as a compositional tool, but rarely as a mixing or recording platform, because of the lack of multichannel input and dedicated mixer page. so, you'll rarely hear anyone name check acid like they would protools. acid is just another tool in the toolbox. software, although being much more powerful, in general doesn't have the reputation or name recognition of standard or classic gear. i'm convinced though that the next generation of pop producers will be sticking $2000 into computer stuff before a drum machine. i personally see acid as a blank canvas because you have full control of pitch, rhythm, and dynamics of any audio in a very easy to use interface. if you want to get the kids' attention and show them what's possible, maybe you should contact sonic foundry and see if they'll release some tracks from the old acid contests for educational purposes. then they'll be able to arrange tracks from many recognizable pop and hip-hop artists. check out the old contests at acidplanet.com
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Jessariah Date:4/27/2003 1:26:34 PM Looping today brings the same "criticism" as MIDI did in the 80s. It's fake, it's not real music-making, etc. I think that's a load. Making music is a talent, I don't care what apps (or lack of) you use. If I can't play the guitar, what's the difference between me hiring someone to play an open A chord or finding one on a loop CD? Are we still recording on 2" reels? Technology changes things, but you still have to know what you're doing. And composing with loops is its own craft, in my opinion. It brings its own challenges once you get past the "click-n-paint" approach. And what's the difference between two different people playing the same chord progression on the same voice of their Korg keyboard and two people using the same loops? A naturalist can sit down to a click track and three days later have a piece of music or a song. If you know what you're doing, you can do the same thing with loops in about three hours -- and most people won't know the difference. Acid has saved me a ton of time in the past year. I've got no problems claiming I use it as part of my composition suite. JMHO
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Dezine Date:4/27/2003 3:21:09 PM " Looping today brings the same "criticism" as MIDI did in the 80s. It's fake, it's not real music-making, etc. I think that's a load. Making music is a talent, I don't care what apps (or lack of) you use. If I can't play the guitar, what's the difference between me hiring someone to play an open A chord or finding one on a loop CD?" Real media artists say the same thing about computer artists, that they are using a computer to create art and not real media IE: oil and canvas, photography, pencil and paper. They seem to believe that all computer artists do is use the computer to manipulate pictures to create art. That's correct though we do use the computer to create our art, the key word in there is cerate. Weather we use real media or computer generated media to create our art or music is a mute point. The fact is that the computer is only a tool just like real media and it's useless without the power of our imagination. Dezine
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: dhanjit Date:4/27/2003 5:46:24 PM The Crystal Method and BT are both on the record as using and admiring Acid.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: MacMoney Date:4/27/2003 6:52:44 PM Ron Jones Was on BET Nightly News on the 23rd of April for a song he did for the Ft. Bliss soldiers. He will be flying to NY to re-record vocals with other artist for BET. ALL the music was done in Acid 4.0b When he comes in for a session I'll ask him to post what he did. George Ware
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Iacobus Date:4/27/2003 7:35:13 PM Cool! Keep us updated, George! Iacobus
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Iacobus Date:4/27/2003 7:35:29 PM I'm sure most of the commercial artists presented over at ACIDplanet for the contests use ACID Pro in some form or another. I'm also sure that ACID Pro is not the only thing they use, but definitely consider it another weapon in their large arsenal. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: MacMoney Date:4/27/2003 8:04:48 PM Hey guys what up, I used acid for the POW song. All of the keyboards used were software synths. My pianos and strings patches were from the Edirol Orchestral Vsti. The pads I used were done with Roland 5080 rack. I used Native Instruments Pro-53 for a bass. Some little things that make a big difference are cymbal swell and chimes also used from Edirol. All the drums samples are one shots pulled up in acid. All plug-ins are from Waves 4.0 Platinum. This project was all midi driven and every thing done was in Acid. Acid is a powerful tool that is easy to use and can defiantly hang with the best in a commercial project. I'll be flying to NYC this week to track vocals with some names that I'm not at liberty to say right now. The Acid session will be traveling with me. Wish me luck and thank you Sonic Foundary for Acid 4.0 Peter U Da Man Dawg! Ron Jones
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: SHTUNOT Date:4/27/2003 10:52:32 PM And all done without the use of rewire???? Can it be true? ;) Ed.
Subject:Thanks Reply by: boomanbb Date:4/28/2003 5:33:15 AM Thanks for the info from everyone who contributed. I am trying to get the message out to the kids that it is possible to express themselves through music and not violence, plus the fact that people are making a living doing what they love to do. You have been very helpful. Ben
Subject:RE: Thanks Reply by: drbam Date:4/28/2003 8:38:51 AM <<I am trying to get the message out to the kids that it is possible to express themselves through music and not violence, plus the fact that people are making a living doing what they love to do. You have been very helpful.>> Ben: I just want to wish you much success with your program! Less violence. . . more fun, creativity, and hope!! Yes to that!!!!! drbam
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: flanneljammies Date:4/28/2003 12:27:41 PM I read an interview with Dalek in TapeOp a couple of months back. He uses Acid extensively for composing and tracking. Then he renders tracks down and takes them into the studio for more manipulation with his collaborators.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: dhanjit Date:4/28/2003 1:00:59 PM Add Nikki Sixx and Tommy Lee of Motley Crue, David Was of Was Not Was, Jason Nevins and Nine Inch Nails.
Subject:Actually ... Reply by: DJCrystal Date:4/28/2003 2:24:44 PM I used ACID 2.0 to create my remix of Danny Tenaglia and Celeda's "Be Yourself" (Funktastica Records, Portugual) in 2000, and to edit Danny/Byron Stingily's "Why Can't You Be Real" (Nervous Music, 2000) I released my first single as an independent artist called "DBD Chanting in the Dark" (Oxygen Music Works, US, Junior Boys Own, UK) in 2001. My original and dub mixes were created using ACID 2.0 as the main mixing platform. In 2002, I remixed the Underground Sound of Lisbon's "So Get Up" for release in Portugual on KAOS Records. I also remixed Madonna's "Ray of Light" for AcidPlanet's remix competition (which I didn't win ... thanx for nuttin! ;) ), Kevin Aviance's "You've Got the Groove" for an upcoming LP. Today (ironically enough) I submitted Patricia Kaas' new single remix to Columbia Records for release later this year called "If You Go Away". I used ACID 4.0 to mix this single. Sadly, I'm afraid that I will have to leave ACID soon if they don't do something about the quality of the samples which are subsequently mixed down. I basically use other tone-generating programs to create my loops (Reason, FruityLoops); the degredation in quality is not something that I can compensate for much longer. I've been with ACID since it's inception at version 1.0 where it was described to me as the thing that would "turn the industry on it's ear". Being into underground house music, I'm all about revolutions! I hope ACID can address these major issues now plaguing the system ... or I'll have to move on to a more "traditional" (shudder) method of mixing. Thanx for listening! Dan Robbins New York, NY
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: rxgrainer Date:4/28/2003 3:20:29 PM I have heard opening "theme" or incidental music in the show "Fear Factor" that uses acid loops (the demo or sample loops that come with the software). I heard bass lines and loops that were direct from the samples as I had been previewing some of them earlier in the week and then heard them "verbatim" on a Monday night as the show was just getting underway. The music the play as the contestants are walking towards or preparing for their challenge. Just to let you know Rx
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: Iacobus Date:4/28/2003 3:37:06 PM Degradation in quality? How so? Anything I've worked with up to this point has been pretty much faithful fidelity-wise. What might be happening: If these samples you've created are Loop or Beatmapped-type tracks, remember to take into account the stretching that ACID does to such files. Unless the you use the exact overall project tempo of the original Loop, you're going to have a hard time trying to make a Loop faithful to its original incarnation. You can minimize the "damage" in a couple ways: -Go into the properties of a Loop and under the Stretch tab, add custom stretch markers on certain subdivisions of a beat you feel are worth noting. This can make a Loop sound that much better. In fact, if you take a look at most of the SoFo libraries' Loops, many of those Loops contain custom markers. -Record straight into ACID, then bounce down the result. (Use the Loop Region to specify a part of the take you'd like to keep, solo and use CTRL+M.) ACID takes tempo and key information of the file into account when bouncing down. If you need to tweak the file, there's always Sound Forge (or other digital audio editor). However, note that changing the length of the file externally will change its ACIDized properties. HTH, Iacobus
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: Jessariah Date:4/29/2003 3:28:38 PM I think one of the secrets to "hidden looping" is NOT to use the free stuff out there. There's a flute-like loop from Liquid Planet and an interesting melodic mallet-like loop from Ambient Realms that are part of the sample waves and content CDs. You listen and think, "cool! I'll use that one!" -- then you realize that everybody and their cousin have it as well. Making your own loops is cool. Also, sheer volume of libraries helps. I own most of the SoFo series and a few other third-party libraries. I think if you shell out the $$$, you'll be looping in fairly uncharted territory. As a third party loop producer myself, I can tell you that a good portion of loopers are only after the free stuff. I bet if you look up any "recognizable" loops, you'll find they were on a content CD or an 8 pack.
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: DJ_Don Date:4/29/2003 7:13:24 PM Acid is my main studio software app, and I use it on every project I do. I certainly don't have the notoriety that some of the other artists above have, but I have done 2 remixes that were released that were done using Acid and Soundforge. They were for Hot Tracks remix service and they were "Opposites Attract" by Fat Joe (Street Tracks 62), and "Multiply" by Xzibit (Street Tracks 64). I've done quite a few other remixes that were not released, but those are the only two that have been heard by more than just some of my DJ buddies. :o) Again, that's not a huge deal by any means, but at least it's something that was done using this amazing software package. Keep up the good work SoFo, and I'm already looking forward to 5.0 (whenever it comes out). Peace.
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: coolout Date:4/29/2003 9:18:02 PM don, how'd you get hooked up with street tracks?
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: DJ_Don Date:4/29/2003 9:42:54 PM Through a local DJ who has a Friday night mix show. He also manages a division of a different remix service. He made the initial contact for me, and I called relentlessly until they gave me work. I haven't done anything for them in several months, though, and I doubt I'll be doing anything more for them. There are a LOT of politics involved in even small companies like that, and I'd rather do my own stuff at this point anyway. Of course, if they called me, I guess I'd do work for them again--I'm just not pursuing it. It's actually pretty cool to see your name on a remix. I want to concentrate on my own tracks right now (using Acid, of course), so I don't miss it. In other words, I can take it or leave it.
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: coolout Date:4/30/2003 3:29:15 AM don, that's cool, i'm a jock that uses the street tracks and funkymix stuff every now and then. for a couple of years i did a live mix show on the top-40 station here and we lived by those mixes. i always thought to myself, "they have to be using acid on this stuff" because it's such a simple formula that could be done in less that an hour in acid. i just wondered how they decided pay someone to do something that anyone who knows the formula and has acid can do. i should have known: politics, politics, politics. i wonder what happened to larry d or dj dizney?
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: gmay Date:4/30/2003 7:44:57 AM Thank you DJCrystal for your comments. I have been using ACID for the last Year and a half and its so reassuring to see that someone I've heard of and is into a similar syle of tunes as me has released tunes using ACID. I love the ease of ACID and to be honest as ACID has grown gradually to introduce things like VST and AUTOMATION I've grown and learnt with it. But, amongst my peers I am one of the few who uses it. Most go for LOGIC. I initially started with CUBASE, but just couldn't get on with it. I hope you sort out your prooblems and keep on knocking out those tunes. I have probably aired one of your remixes on my Radio Show here in London. Cheers Greg
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: rictheobscene Date:5/4/2003 7:46:34 PM Crystal Method is very "vocal" about their use of Acid. If I remember correctly, their last CD was (a) on a major label and (b) a pretty good seller. Also King's X did their last CD in Acid. Ric
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: ATP Date:5/5/2003 1:00:21 PM i'm wondering, how can all you people tell from a song in which program it was made? i certainly can't, unless prefab loops were used, but i rarely hear this in commercial releases. if you can take any good electronic song (downbeat, dnb, dance or whatever) and you can tell me exactly in which program it was made i take my hat off to you. :) sometimes i think i can distinguish a particular VSTi in a song i hear on the radio/streams, but even that won't give much away pertaining the host program in question. anyway, it's not about what you use, but how you use it. :)
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: rictheobscene Date:5/5/2003 6:19:03 PM I would like to say that I have some kind of special-trained ear for this kind of thing; however, if I said that, I would be lying. The information I offered up came from liner notes and magazine articles. Ric
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: dkistner Date:5/8/2003 7:26:42 PM Dezine! An aside to the real conversation here, but I've been trying to get myself back into a creative phase, and for some reason "mute point" shook something loose. Actually, it's "moot point," not "mute point"; but that's a clever little twist there. I know, I know...I'm weird...but reading this just put a nice "up" finish on my day.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Iacobus Date:5/8/2003 9:32:58 PM If a major act is using ACID (umm...the software), I'd bet they're using their own loops that they've constructed, either exclusively or in conjunction with canned loops they might've mangled to the point where they're unrecognizable otherwise. Like ATP said, using canned loops isn't necessarily a bad thing. I use canned percussive One-shots all the time, arranged just the way I want them with the rhythm I have in mind. I'd be doing the same thing if it was a VSTi, only with MIDI. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: forlornsoul Date:5/12/2003 7:00:01 PM I released a CD last year titled "Dreamscapes" under my Dark Ambient project Darkened Soul via MP3.com. CD can be purchased thru them for $7.99 + s/h or a CD-R with color inserts, full sized jewel case, for $8 shipped worldwide. You can listen to all my tracks I've done with Acid and it is in my description what I use, that, my Yamaha Synth (S03) when I get something in MIDI I want to use within a tune, Sound Forge 6, Cool Edit Pro 2.0, vsti's/vst's, whatever I can get my hands on to tweak the loops. I massage them a small amount, add effects, adjust pan, fade in/out, etc...I ain't no pro but I am working on getting better with Acid as I like using it. It allows me to lay down a backdrop drone and sample various loops to see how they fit. Works for me and apparently others. Mike http://www.mp3.com/darkened_soul http://www.forlorn-souls.net/darkenedsoul.html
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: config Date:5/16/2003 11:28:31 PM I create complete DJ Mix Tapes using Acid and have been doing it since version 1. I created 'Beneath The Underdog' as well as 'tbcrew.tiff' released on soot records using acid 2.0. I also created a remix for Hrvatski on the RKK13CD released on Rekank Recods using ACID 1. In fact ever since ACID was released I have used it in one way or another on every project. I even convinced other artists around me to start using it. -dj fig http://www.whiteshoes.net/djfig
Subject:count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: waynegee Date:5/18/2003 8:55:07 PM they used to use ACID extensively but have since stopped due to various reasons...more info here: http://www.m-audio.com/m-pulse/may2003/may2003-kenjordan.php
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: pwppch Date:5/18/2003 10:29:17 PM >>but have since stopped due to various reasons...more info here I actually only read one reason for them not using ACID "We can’t have any piece of gear that's not working with MIDI clock. That was one of our biggest problems with ACID. ACID would never lock to MIDI clock." He's right, it doesn't, but that doesn't really make it "various" reasons, does it? Peter
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: waynegee Date:5/19/2003 8:51:01 AM don't try to twist it, bucko...they don't use it anymore is the BOTTOM LINE,,,doesn't matter if my vernacular is correct or not. These are things you should've thought about looooooooooooooooong time ago. These are the kinds of things "pros" look for in "pro" apps. Don't be trying to check me...you better be planning for your future...feel me?
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: drbam Date:5/19/2003 9:05:54 AM <<they don't use it anymore is the BOTTOM LINE,,,doesn't matter if my vernacular is correct or not. >> I disagree. It may be the "BOTTOM LINE" to you, but I think it matters a great deal why someone would cease using an app, particularly if it had to do with bugs, glitches or other functional problems as opposed to lacking a certain feature as in the example you used. I hear your criticism about the midi issue but its important to make this distinction clear. If a product doesn't give me what I want/need then I simply look elsewhere. :-) drbam
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: waynegee Date:5/19/2003 11:49:21 AM I agree with you, Bam...it should matter why anyone (especially a high-profile user) stops using your services/product. Especially when you always have the power to retain a client. But it depends on how bad you want to retain said client and what you are willing to do to make sure said client is retained. My response is not directed at the underlying issues of ACID but to Peter's response to my (mis)use of the word "various". I've found that there is a lot of chest-thumping and a "I'm-gonna-set-you-straight" kinda attitude that goes on in this forum, probably out of total defensiveness, instead of addressing the problems/issues at hand. This is why certain parties find themselves in predicaments that they are in. Naahmean?
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: pwppch Date:5/19/2003 6:21:36 PM I twisted the issue? Don't think so - bucko. It is your use of generalizations that I disagree with. Get your facts straight and I wont have any problems with your opinions, no matter how much I disagree with them. Don't bend them to serve your cause - what ever that may be. What surprises me the most is that you have made very objective statements on ACID and its shortcommings in some of your other posts. I am a bit surpised that you took the emotional argument to attempt to make your point this time. The tools are pro if used by a professional. A pro is one that decides whether a tool solves his problems or not. To choose a tool because some other "artist" uses it is not a professional approach in my opinion. There are many "pro" users that love ACID and love the MIDI and all the other things that you and others hate. Does this mean ACID can't be improved? Hardely. There are many things that ACID will do in the future that it can't do today. We cannot focus on the needs of a single user as much as we may want to. We focus on the larger needs and do a very good job of satisfying the majority of users. Face it, people complain before the praise on this forum. I am always open to discussions on how to improve ACID. Keep it civil, and I will discuss it here or off line anytime. I will also defend the product to the bitter end if I disagree with you or anybody else. Convince me objectively. Don't argue with me subjectively. Peter
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Maruuk Date:5/19/2003 8:17:46 PM I won 3 Emmys with it last year--but it was for a PBS series, not Hip-hop, so I guess the kids would be left uninspired.
Subject:RE: Actually ... Reply by: Beanstudio Date:5/19/2003 10:17:21 PM I mixed a song for artists that have career sales + 1 million worldwide from previous records. The new mix was all in Acid 4. The song is "Book of Virtues" by 40Ft. Ringo on Atenzia Records. I also tweaked the entire thing here. They are getting good reviews with this new band. Paste this link: http://www.mojovegas.com/40ftringo/music/mp3/bookofvirtues.mp3 Visit thier site : http://www.40ftringo.com Peter, You have changed many things for many people. You have made a huge impact on the way many thousands of people produce music. I appreciate your personal and emotional investment in this product. I use it professionally all the time. Jim Beanstudio Mastering http://www.beanstudio.com
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: DKeenum Date:5/20/2003 9:24:39 AM Ken, First of all, congadulations! What shows did you score, and is there a way we can get a listen to your work?
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Maruuk Date:5/20/2003 1:17:25 PM They were all for the score to the PBS series "Ojibwe-We Look in All Directions". Acid 3.0 was great--I pulled in some drums from the Native American series and used Ojibwe flute players, singers and drum groups, mixing and matching tracks. Also used some elements from the orchestral series and overdubbed banjo, guitar, harmonica and misc drums. My partner on the project was Peter Buffett ("Dances with Wolves"/"500 Nations"/"Spirit") who actually was the guy who turned me onto Acid in the first place. He's a huge loopnut, but now he uses Nuendo ReWired to Reason for most of his stuff. Bouncing tracks in and out of Forge was critical--compressed and EQ'd the crap outa the dull old banjo and guitar. Also stretching and squeezing tracks was huge as the cue specs kept changing across the 6 hours of score. Rendered everything to MP3's and sent to mix studio over the net--sometimes as the mixes were running. Time was super tight, changes constant. Acid's speed and simplicity kept things efficient and put the creative focus on the score, instead of on some complicated and klugey interface. But I stuck to 3.0 as given the fact that I have a less-than-ideal workstation, 4.0+ would've sunk me for sure.
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: Iacobus Date:5/20/2003 2:52:30 PM I have to add something here in addition to what Peter has said. I take great issue with that "interview" (or should we say, "brownnose session"?). M-Audio pimps Live. Naturally, Live's competitor is ACID. Put the two together. Obviously, there's a little mudslinging going on there. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Spot/DSE Date:5/20/2003 6:47:33 PM Maruuk, Thanks for using my library on your project with Peter. You probably are aware I've done a few projects for Peter myself. He also has copies of loop material from media we've never released, I gave it to him as I thought he could use it. I'm curious as to why you find 4.0 to be unstable? I use it fairly regularly in conjuntion with other software, sometimes even chasing Vegas. No bugginess here, either on my laptop that I travel with or on my 2 main studio systems. One is Intel, the other AMD with an AMD chipset. As far as "has Acid been used for any commercial releases?" Hell, that list would be so long as to make your head spin. I've authored 11 ACID libraries, and I hear the loops used in everything from Jeep commercials to "The Wild Thornberries" every Saturday morning. Laswell and Torn's loops are heard all over the place in big screen productions, I've used ACID in Grammy nominated projects, Emmy winning projects, and all sorts of other things. Quiet Riot on the heavy metal side, are hard users of ACID, Ricky Martin on the Latin-pop side is a big user, and the list is lengthy, huge, and wide of professionals using Acid, Acid loops.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: SHTUNOT Date:5/20/2003 9:18:35 PM Hey dude! Nice to see you around these parts. Hope things been great with you and your family. I'll definitely be sure to check out the next Vast tour when it comes around here in NYC next time[HIGHLY recommended!!!]. Talk to you soon. Got to go back to testing... ;) Ed.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Maruuk Date:5/21/2003 1:13:24 AM Spot--Peter speaks very highly of you, and your collaborations with him speak for themselves. There was one particularly deep drum from your first collection that held up the Universe. With all the recordings I made with the magnificent Ojibwe artists, there was never the one Great Drum! Thank you for that. You probably have heard of Peter's new Spirit/Seventh Fire Tour in the great tents starting this Fall. I came across the ancient Seventh Fire prophecy and was stunned at how it spoke to exactly what was happening now, and it became a song from the "Ojibwe" soundtrack CD, and inspired the Tour as well. Yes, especially your special loops will be a part of this renewing and evolutionary experience. A medicine show in the true sense. I'm very glad that 4.0+ worked well for some folks. With SOnyFO getting proper funding now, perhaps an extremely robust and extensively de-bugged rev is on the way. It's amazing how many Aboriginal recording artists I've encountered who routinely say stuff like, "Acid? Oh yeah. It rocks. It's all over my new CD!" Acid is simple like a flute or a drum. It makes beautiful music effortlessly. I guess the less there is to get between the dreamer and the shadow world the more Truth is revealed.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Spot/DSE Date:5/22/2003 2:53:13 AM Peter is one of the best hearted people I've ever met in my life. And one of the most creative. And his use of the media is fantastic. Good luck on the tour!
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Maruuk Date:5/22/2003 10:59:47 PM How can he miss, he's not only using some of your content, but it is the time of the Seventh Fire. Chiefs have come up to him out of the blue and said, "It's time for you to complete the circle." All stars are aligned.
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: Snappy Date:5/23/2003 3:06:23 PM u can hear an acid-like stretching effect in "The Fight Song", track 3 on Marilyn Manson's Holy Wood. there's a bazillion others, but none i can think of off the top of my head... the new Ministry uses it in places as well - sorry, don't have track #'s... some seem to miss the distinction between pros using 'acid' vs. using 'loops for acid' pros using 'acid' is like NIN going and buying a popular keyboard. pros using 'loops for acid' is like NIN downloading midis of one of their songs off a fan site and then using it as a backing track for their live performance! () A MOCKERY! lol booman, teach them that innovators innovate, imitators imitate. it's kewl to use any tool that helps you break the rules, whether anybody else uses it or not. -------------- ( and i'm not talking about in a "Let's expand the medium by interacting more deeply with the fans!" sort-of-way!!!)
Subject:RE: count Crystal Method out now, tho... Reply by: DataCowboy Date:5/26/2003 12:38:32 AM Peter, you're entirely correct in that only one reason is explicitly cited. I myself read into their current methodology that Acid would have been dropped even without the MIDI sync issue because of Rewire and stability. Along with live performance, those are the same reasons I have started no new works whatsoever in Acid in the last year. Currently my studio set up and production methodology is pretty much the same as CM's, and I find I just can't save time with Acid anymore. Re-sequencing for live performance is just a dreadful and time-consuming work. The ability to remix on the fly is also quite a powerful creative tool. Just my $0.02. Hexadecimal www.freesidemusic.com
Subject:RE: Any commercial releases done with Acid? Reply by: boomanbb Date:5/26/2003 9:15:49 PM WOW. This has all been an impressive lesson for me. The library project is now complete. 107 children were introduced to music creation with Acid. I must tell you all, it was a complete success. Several parents purchased or downloaded copies of Acid for their kids. Copies of Acid Express are being installed on each of the Richmond city library computers. While some kids did try to recreate music they had heard on the radio, many just created. If you could have seen their faces when I put their cuts on the sound system and played it LOUD... and to think I got paid for doing it. For alot of these kids, this was the first chance for them to use a computer for something other than school work. I spent alot of time teaching doubleclicks and click and drags. Using Acid helped them with their mouse skills, not to mention that we had touch screen monitors. Picture kids drawing their loops with their fingers! For all of you who posted, I am in awe to your skills. I have little to no skill in music creation. I basically showed them how to use the software, my lack of music skills meant that the music they created was all theirs. I am learning Acid and other software to include in my Vegas projects. Easier to create music then go about dealing with copywrite issues. Thanks for all of your help!
Subject:About Artists... You forgot one, and a big one Reply by: Zacchino Date:5/26/2003 9:46:56 PM The Neptunes (& Pharell). Their toys : Hardware = ASR-10 from Ensoniq (olso overused by the Daft Punk), Triton from Korg (olso overused by Moby). Their Sequencers : Pro Tools + Acid Pro. I saw this on tv from an interview of their last album under the name of NER*D - In Search Of. They seemed to have a PC dedicated to it.

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