Subject:Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Posted by: gper

Date:5/15/2003 4:45:58 PM

I use Acid Music 2.0, and I also use Reason 2.0 (by Propellerhead). I would like to be able to record a synthesizer track (played on Reason) right into an audio track on Acid. Is this possible? As far as I can tell, even the latest 4.0 Acid Pro version does not "support" Reason.

For what its worth, it is fairly easy to create and save a loop in Reason as a .wav file, and then import (or drag) the file into Acid. The tempo, loop length, etc. are all perfect. This is fine for loops, but what I'm looking for is the ability to tap a few keys on the keyboard (with the sounds being emitted through Reason) and record this music as an audio track in Acid.

Can anyone help?

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:5/15/2003 5:11:31 PM

The way your doing it is the best course of action as of right now. Going the other route would be more experimenting/trouble shooting/bug hunting rather than just creating. I wouldn't want to waste your time with me guessing.

The demand for reason rewired to acid has been immense. And TRUST ME...they've listened.

Ed.

Bring on acid 5 with rewire!

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: Lawya

Date:5/15/2003 5:37:51 PM

"And TRUST ME...they've listened."

Do u know if Rewire is in the works for the next release Ed?

Dj Lawya

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:5/15/2003 6:48:57 PM

If I told you I'd have to kill you... ;)

Ed.

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: Lawya

Date:5/15/2003 7:02:34 PM

You're already killing me slowly by keeping me in suspence, man...

Dj Lawya

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:5/15/2003 10:34:42 PM

Do you remember what the Reason manual said on p. 51 (on the right side of the page)? You might want to keep that in mind in the future...

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:5/15/2003 11:06:45 PM

reason + acid = bliss
the best looping program meets the best virtual workstation

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:5/16/2003 10:58:10 AM

If you guys keep this up I'm gonna have to break down and buy Reason. I just saw it on sale at audiomidi.com.

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: spongebob

Date:5/16/2003 11:11:10 AM

Sounds like Reason is da bomb with Acid.

Is there anything that Reason does that FL Studio or Project 5 can't do?

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:5/16/2003 12:12:02 PM

Old SOFO has gone on record in this forum as stating they were intending to implement ReWire2 for Acid Pro 5. Will SOnyFO keep that track alive? Arguments for and against, both compelling.

Why do people go so nuts for Reason compared to other similar apps? Sound--it sounds fantastic. Construction--it's built like fine European sports car. Quality and attention to detail abounds. Flexibility--the mixer alone is jaw-dropping. Interface--it's what everybody wants--easy to learn, but deeper than shtunot. But then, what isn't?

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: David_Kuznicki

Date:5/16/2003 12:28:33 PM

Project5 is a pale Reason imitation. The ONLY interesting thing about it (IMHO) is the fact that it will act as a VSTi host natively. But sonar will do that with a wrapper. However, looping in Sonar is (compared to Acid) a pain in the ass. And the loop player in Reason won't accept .wav files (it uses Rex2), and you can't convert them without ReCycle. And, although I LOVE Reason, I'll be damned if they are going to soak me for another $100+ to get my loops in there. And one of the MANY Reasons that I want ReWire in Acid... I have 40+ loop libraries that I'd LOVE to use, but can't. (Well, there ARE pain-in-the-ass workarounds, but they're limiting)

As for FL studio-- what's that? I don't know that one off the top of my head...

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: spongebob

Date:5/16/2003 2:57:50 PM

If Reason uses a proprietary file format, why is it so good with Acid?

FL is the former Fruity Loops.

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: David_Kuznicki

Date:5/16/2003 3:34:02 PM

If Reason uses a proprietary file format, why is it so good with Acid?

Because it will export .wav files. It's easy to create loops and bring them into Acid, for example. I'm sure other people are using it in more creative ways than that, but that's how I work with it...

FL is the former Fruity Loops.

Ah, sorry. Fruity Loops is actually a pretty darn good program for the price, although I have to say that I found it somewhat limiting after awhile. Hence the switch to Sonar and Reason.

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:5/16/2003 7:55:47 PM

reason is a virtual studio. it truly gives you all that you need to create music

nnxt sampler is easy but powerful

malestrom is something like a very agressive absynth

redrum is awesome, think of it as a scaled down battery

i have the sonic refill which has the same sounds as sampletank sonic synth(this gives the nnxt better sounds than the triton,roland jv 2080

2.5 has wicked effects

ive been using acid with reason for a year and i still think acid is the best looping program and reason is the best virtual studio.

bring on rewire

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:5/16/2003 11:14:12 PM

---Interface--it's what everybody wants--easy to learn, but deeper than shtunot. But then, what isn't?---uh...Deeper than whom? Dude...Do you think I'm going to write 5 paragraghs of "Why Maruuk can't get his facts/history straight" blah blah blah???? Idiot.

Reason is cool but the interface is a bit lacking. I really don't appreciate how small all the dials/details are. The last update did nothing but give me problems so I rolled back to 2.0. 2.5 is going through my tests as we speak...

Instead of showing how stupid you are coming into these forums and repeating yourself how about helping all of those with the EASY questions like "How do I setup my midi keyboard" or something? Oh no...Let's irritate ED while he's crankin' away at... ;)

Ed.

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: RasKeita

Date:5/18/2003 1:45:55 PM

I'm not sure this will hepl, but it's something we started back in 2001, so it might be out dated, but here goes...

okay kids, lets begin..

first up you need to decide how you are gonna connect the two programs. you can use the midi on your soundcard, routed back into itself(which is kinded dumb, but it works), or you can install the hubis loopback device that came with reason. i would recommend this one since it makes more sense. read the instructions on how to do the install as it is not a .exe file but rather an add/remove program thingy(you understand when you read the hlp file). another tip, install all of the ports, as it seems to not affect the performance in anyway.


once you got hubi up and running, bust open acid, and go to the preferences dialog box under options, and click the sync tab. under the "generate midi clock settings" select LB1 or which ever port you chose(make sure its the port you select in reason). i haven't messed with the advance tab so i'm not sure what difference it makes but for clarity mine is set to have the first box not checked(send start instead...), and the second radial button(on start and stop...). Make sure to click apply so the changes happen, and restar acid if you think that might help.


next open reason(leaving acid open or minimized) and open the preferences dialog under the edit menu. go the the advanced midi page and set the midi clock sync to LB1(or whatever port you chose in acid).

heres the fun(and for me was the confusing/hard) part to get going. maximize acid and right click on the time display and chose midi clock out, as well as generate midi clock(shift+F7). this tells acid to send the midi clock messages out of hubis loopback port 1.

but what the heck, reason isn't doing anything at all??!!??@#$%. this is what happened to me at first and it took me a few minutes to figure out why(and it'll probably be apparent to most of you, forgive me i'm dense). maximize reason, and do one of two things. either look at the transport controls for a button labeled midi sync enable(left hand side of the tranport)and click it, or click the options menu and select midi clock sync. when you do this reason's tempo should go to zero-zero, since it is now going to recieve it's tempo from acid.


when you press play in acid, reason will begin to "chase" acid and play back simultaneously.

one word of warning! if your track begins right and 1.1.000(the absolute beginning, the programs will hicup, as the two have some lag against each other. this is unavoidable, and is suggested in the manual to add a two measure space in both acid and reason, so the hicup is avoided and both songs start at measure two.


this should work, and if it doesn't let me know, and i can try to help(which i do enjoy).

I do know this is working now on my partners machine with MIDI OX/MIDI YOKE...Level Vibes

Subject:RE: Using Reason (by Propellerhead) with Acid ??

Reply by: ozzborn

Date:5/18/2003 5:10:57 PM

it works but the two programs drift out of sync
this is why rewire is great,the 2 programs are locked together in perfect sync.