Subject:ACID and FX plug-ins

Posted by: Lava

Date:5/12/2003 1:12:49 PM

Has anybody noticed that ACID 4.0 won't allow midi continuous controllers through to fx plug-ins? I want to control my plug-ins in real time with my external knob box, but it appears ACID is blocking the signal. I know I've got everything correctly configured because midi signal gets through to any sofsynths I run inside ACID. Any ideas? Or is this just an insurmountable design flaw?

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:5/12/2003 1:42:53 PM

Not a flaw but a feature you need to "petition" for to get. Make sure you go to the product suggestion page and ask. Be very detailed with how you want it to function and such. If you don't ask you don't get. You got my vote. ;)

Ed.

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/12/2003 2:30:55 PM

ACID does not send MIDI to FX. There is no mechansim in ACID to do this. We don't support DXi, so there would be no means to do this.

Which DX FX do you have that support MIDI control of its parameters?

Peter

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: jtuffen

Date:5/12/2003 4:09:10 PM

Hmmm, maybe not - but some DirectX plugins *are* automatable (i.e. the resonant filter plugin supplied with Acid - and (so far) every VST plugin I've used within the Cakewalk DX-VST adapter) so it might be nice if there was some mapping between external MIDI CCs and those automatable parameters... I've thought that it would also be nice if it were possible to record those CC movements - translating them into automation envelopes perhaps - so that they could be edited later...

... but then again, I'd also like to be able to use the Acid automation/enveloping to generate MIDI CCs so that I can control external MIDI synths...

john..

http://www.minimism.com/

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/12/2003 5:04:50 PM

So what you want is external control of ACID.

Not for this version, but it is being discussed for ACID 5.0.

Peter

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: SkZ

Date:5/12/2003 6:30:20 PM

>> Not for this version, but it is being discussed for ACID 5.0. <<

Free upgrade, rite? ;)

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: jtuffen

Date:5/13/2003 4:14:03 AM

>> So what you want is external control of ACID.

Well, (for me) it would be a nice bonus - not essential... My 'Oh wow!' extra feature would be to mimic Logic's 'group to track' feature - (for example: make a drum track with a number of one shots, then group those together so that the pattern can subsequently be painted as if it were a loop (Yes, you can do this by rendering to a file and importing it, but it is a longer process if you decide to change a sound etc.). I can see this working completely within the Acid framework (which I know you don't want to dilute with loads of extra bells and whistles...)

john..

minimism.com

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/13/2003 10:00:11 AM

>>My 'Oh wow!' extra feature would be to mimic Logic's 'group to track' feature - (for example: make a drum track with a number of one shots, then group those together so that the pattern can subsequently be painted as if it were a loop (Yes, you can do this by rendering to a file and importing it, but it is a longer process if you decide to change a sound etc.). I can see this working completely within the Acid framework (which I know you don't want to dilute with loads of extra bells and whistles...)
<<

This is actually a cool idea and has been tossed around here in one form or another. It does fit the ACID framework and would be a killer way to create and lock down with out being destructive in nature.

Peter

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: jtuffen

Date:5/13/2003 3:30:39 PM

Thinking about this on the way home from work; this 'group track' thing might also be a way of streamlining/simplifying MIDI handling within Acid... when a multi-track (Type 1 or 0) MIDI file is imported, it can look like a 'grouped' object - opening that grouped object reveals a number of (parallel) MIDI tracks* - with one MIDI channel per Acid track. Thus a MIDI object only ever contains a single MIDI channel. Mapping of MIDI channels to VSTi's suddenly becomes very very easy, and (I think) less confusing...

john..

* of course having the ability to import other sequencer files would be rather fantastic, but I imagine also rather tricky.... and probably way beyond what Acid was originally intended for!

PS: you don't need a UK-based software guy do you? ;-)

Subject:RE: ACID and FX plug-ins

Reply by: Lava

Date:5/13/2003 5:21:49 PM

Yes, I guess I do want external control of ACID - specifically, the ability to control DX fx parameters (or VST fx via a VST-DX adapter) in real-time with external knobs.

You know, Ableton live gives the user the ability to map MIDI CCs to *any* effect's parameters, whether or not the plug-in itself has the ability. That would be seriously cool.