Lowest quality loss to VHS method

Ben271 wrote on 5/8/2003, 2:41 PM
I have finished my short 23 min. movie and have burned it to DVD and it looks good. I planned on only selling it on DVD, but many poeple are requesting it on VHS NTSC. I still have all the files on my computer from the movie. What is the best method to get the movie on VHS with the lowest quality loss? I am, of sourse, a relative newbie to video, but excellent in computers. I would appreciate any help as there is money to be made:)
Thanks You,
Ben Cook

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RBartlett wrote on 5/8/2003, 3:47 PM
If your source timeline is DV quality or better, rendering this out of your PC via your camcorders tape if necessary to VHS; this is a good idea. DVD would be 15Mbps worse off even at its best setting compared to DV. If the quality of your timeline is better than DV, you probably won't tell the difference by the time it is played back from VHS.

One important note is to try to avoid consumer VHS recorders to make your tapes. The heads are narrow and do not leave as tight an impression on the tape as you might expect. Leading to more playback brand intolerance and arguably shorter playback life. It matters little your VHS deck cost you $50 or $500. Wonderful isn't it!

A professional duplicator should be using a DV or D1 source tape and firing into (a) decent duplicator target deck/s with good hard heads that he periodically has relapped for quality.

You might be going to a duplication house just for the custom length tapes themselves. Consider using them to duplicate the whole run, label and package too.

I have no association with such services. Just know how poor consumer VHS decks can prove to be. The cheap best next option is to take a DV tape to each of the customers houses and record their tape on their VHS VCR. Maybe you'd come across folks with Hi8 or SVHS options.
BrianStanding wrote on 5/8/2003, 3:48 PM
What did you shoot and capture on? If DV, then printing to tape and dubbing from a DV master is your best bet, since you will have minimized recompression and encoding.

I've had good luck using an S-VHS deck in VHS mode to make the VHS dubs. Use the S-Video connection to get a higher quality transfer.
Ben271 wrote on 5/8/2003, 4:00 PM
Have you or anyone else know of any reputable yet low cost professional duplicator? I am considering this to be the best option (I dont' have to make the copies:) ) if the price is right. I don't want to lose too much profit.
Thanks,
Ben
Jsnkc wrote on 5/8/2003, 4:02 PM
The best way would be to make a MiniDV master from the Vegas timeline then go from a DV deck with component outputs into a VHS deck with Component Inputs, that will give you the least amount of degredation. It also wouln't hurt to use a TBC in the middle.

And to answer your second question, if you are looking for a good duplicator try out www.vipdubs.com it is a company that I work for in Madison Wisconsin and we are well known in the area for providing short run high quality VHS dubs with a quick turnaround.
Ben271 wrote on 5/8/2003, 4:06 PM
I shot the film with a sony dcr-trv27, which is a dv camcorder. I am still relitively new to the vhs thing. Do you mean print to a dv tape and then with the dv tape in my camcorder, connect it to my vcr and press play on the camcorder and record on my vcr? sorry if this is a real newbie question. I figured out the dvd stuff very quickly, but this vhs stuff is much different. Go figure.
Thanks for the help,
Ben
p.s. my vcr is one of those dvd/vcr made by samsung (dvd-v1000 I think)
RBartlett wrote on 5/8/2003, 5:59 PM
Print to DV tape often also goes through the camera to the analogue outputs which as composite video can go to your Samsung VHS+DVD machine. If you don't have outputs enabled when you are receiving DV from your PC, either because there are no outputs or because it just doesn't, then you can go to tape first, rewind then go out to VHS. This of course adds wear to your precious camera (via DV tape).

A timebase corrector without proc-amp controls will only add noise. DV generations are timebase accurate where you have no external sync capability in your deck, which you don't. External proc-amp controls can help with non-standard levels, which I'd recommend using the NTSC clamping filter to overcome in Vegas.

Going via SVIDEO or component (neither an option on your Samsung I'd wager) makes up for the cable, but the signal on VHS is composite anyway so if folk can see the difference, then they have poor cabling and/or a poorly engineered VCR.

The best way to be sure that you are doing good business by providing VHS at your set price is to subjectively test your work. A reputable duplicator will have a sample of their output on VHS for you to compare.

Don't expect much more than 6 months use of your Samsung if you are doing regular runs of these transfers.
The way DVD players are going, next year you'll be getting one free with every blank DVD-R you buy ;) .
vicmilt wrote on 5/8/2003, 8:36 PM
I never do any duping if there are more than 5 or so prints required, myself.

Can recommend :
Allied Vaughn
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Work: 800-323-0281

Address: 7951 Computer Avenue
Minnepolis, MN 55435

For a couple of bucks each (generally under $3 depending on tape length) they do everything, you don't waste time, or brutalize your machinery.

v.
mrrobot wrote on 5/8/2003, 8:52 PM
I am no video professional, just a hobbiest. Captured some old family movies off of VHS and 8mm with the Canopus ADVC1394 and Vegas. Scanned a couple hundred photographs and imported into Vegas. Layed down some sentimental songs using Vegas. Produced a VCD. Dubbed the VCD to a new Sony VHS machine and a Maxell tape. Distributed copies to 10 family members. All were very, very impressed. Most had tears in their eyes by the end of the video which easily blurs any graininess (ha ha).

Moral of the story. Take 23 minutes and dub the DVD to a VHS tape a see for yourself.
You may think its worth what you are charging for the taped version.


DaveF wrote on 5/9/2003, 10:12 AM
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