I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file... -ACID Product Family

Subject:I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file... Posted by: DjFIL Date:3/14/2003 2:10:15 PM i've used the article found in the SonicFoundry KB (#1674 : Using beatmapper on songs with varying tempo) and i followed the insturctions as requested... and it looked as it was working. but when exported via "render to new file" it seams as the newly rendered file is the exact same as the one i started with as it still won't beatmatch properly in the beatmapper, and i havn't tried but if i layed the 2 files beside each another, i bet they'd be the exact same. anything that i could possiably be doing wrong? i'm using acid pro 4.0, article says it's for 3.0 and later, so should be fine. thanks ....phil
Subject:RE: I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file... Reply by: dorkus Date:3/14/2003 3:57:04 PM I posted the exact same thing about a month ago here: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=155468&Replies=5&Page=1. That trick does not work as far as making a track a perfect tempo as the article states. All it will do is sync other loops to your imperfect track. I know, it sucks. There are other tricks however, but they don't work the greatest. One that I tried involved using soundforge: mark all of the down beats of each measure, then break into regions, and then draw each region into acid (like steps). Then render that. It only works if you don't care what it does to your sounds, however.
Subject:thanks. Reply by: DjFIL Date:3/14/2003 11:59:09 PM kinda sucks though that there isn't really a good fix.
Subject:RE: I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file... Reply by: Iacobus Date:3/16/2003 10:52:40 AM Rendering always produces exactly what you've heard during playback in ACID. It does not "fix" a track's imperfect or uneven tempo. Could it be a possibility that the track has different time signatures? (The Beatmapper does common time tracks that go at that time signature straight through. That could cause problems if the track goes from 4/4 to, say, 3/4.) HTH, Iacobus
Subject:Cutting a track up and making loops Reply by: Erik_Nygaard Date:3/17/2003 3:13:50 AM This have worked for me on a drum track I had wich would vary slightly in tempo: Cut your track up into say 4 or 8-measure segments and acidize them, this will give you loops that will have tempi say at 120 - 120,1 - 119,8 etc BPM. Then use Acid to assemble them similar to the original track. Lastly, render this to a new wave with master tempo= 120BPM. HTH Erik

Subject:I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file...

Posted by: DjFIL

Date:3/14/2003 2:10:15 PM

i've used the article found in the SonicFoundry KB (#1674 : Using beatmapper on songs with varying tempo) and i followed the insturctions as requested... and it looked as it was working. but when exported via "render to new file" it seams as the newly rendered file is the exact same as the one i started with as it still won't beatmatch properly in the beatmapper, and i havn't tried but if i layed the 2 files beside each another, i bet they'd be the exact same.

anything that i could possiably be doing wrong? i'm using acid pro 4.0, article says it's for 3.0 and later, so should be fine.

thanks
....phil

Subject:RE: I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file...

Reply by: dorkus

Date:3/14/2003 3:57:04 PM

I posted the exact same thing about a month ago here: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=155468&Replies=5&Page=1.
That trick does not work as far as making a track a perfect tempo as the article states. All it will do is sync other loops to your imperfect track. I know, it sucks. There are other tricks however, but they don't work the greatest. One that I tried involved using soundforge: mark all of the down beats of each measure, then break into regions, and then draw each region into acid (like steps). Then render that. It only works if you don't care what it does to your sounds, however.

Subject:thanks.

Reply by: DjFIL

Date:3/14/2003 11:59:09 PM

kinda sucks though that there isn't really a good fix.

Subject:RE: I can't get the beatmapper to even tempo a song file...

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:3/16/2003 10:52:40 AM

Rendering always produces exactly what you've heard during playback in ACID. It does not "fix" a track's imperfect or uneven tempo.

Could it be a possibility that the track has different time signatures? (The Beatmapper does common time tracks that go at that time signature straight through. That could cause problems if the track goes from 4/4 to, say, 3/4.)

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:Cutting a track up and making loops

Reply by: Erik_Nygaard

Date:3/17/2003 3:13:50 AM

This have worked for me on a drum track I had wich would vary slightly in tempo:
Cut your track up into say 4 or 8-measure segments and acidize them, this will give you loops that will have tempi say at 120 - 120,1 - 119,8 etc BPM.
Then use Acid to assemble them similar to the original track.
Lastly, render this to a new wave with master tempo= 120BPM.

HTH
Erik