The codicil...? if you can afford, PT use it

i would like to add that vegas's buss summing blows protools away as well IMO. protools sounds "digital". it is just kinda harsh. vegas sounds more natural. i think you will find vegas easier to use and, in the end, more powerfull. viva las vegas!!!! lol

i think the work flow in Vegas is much better than PT - by which I mean how easy it is to do the things that you will be doing a lot of every day (editing/crossfades/moving events/etc.)
I also think that Vegas is a much cleaner/nicer looking application.

Vegas also is much more affordable than PT. PT does have more control surface options and hardware accelerator options (getting to be less of an issue with easy to get multi-GHz machines).

also, I believe that PTs doesn't allow faster than real-time renders (I could be wrong).

bgc

tdm plugs for those alone pt is superior
vegas is easy to use but it is years behind protools pt is the de facto industy
for making /editing both music and movie soundtracks that is a fact and for those of you wearing those rose tinted vegas glasses it just doesnt come close, as for sounding digital all digital sounds digital (although radar sounds fantastic cost more than pt though) if you want great sound 2" tape sounds great as does half inch
two track masters 99 % of all records are finished/mastered in protools those of you that dont get it are in denial ease of use does not a worldbeater on its own make features and reliability do and you dont becocome a world standard if you are crap
vegas is ok but in terms of features and cuting edge its strictly bedroom

ouch!

it's called "period" and looks like this --> .

Other than that, I must say that ease-of-use CAN make a worldbeater, it's all about getting the highest quality in the shortest time. Vegas is only as good as its plug-ins, yes, but there are quite a bunch of great plugs out there, even non-TDM.

Okay, what exactly were those features and what exactly is that cutting edge? Real time renders, limited track count, and endless resampling times?
If PT was half the price it would be worth it for the solid low latency and *real* real time effects, but digital isn't digital and boy did the convertors used to suck. (Ask the accountants at Apogee.)

Let's see...what language was that in Phat?

I've used PT and now I only track in Vegas. Its quicker, the plugins are great, editing is easier. Who gives a shit if its industry standard? When you work on your own and with clients and get the stuff done faster it saves me time and them money.

Its more productive. Hey, Britney Spears is industry standard but that doesn't make her the best either.

Not alluding to Britney and PT either...

The main advantage of Vegas over Protools (and Cubase) is that it attracts users with a slight knowledge of grammar and capitalisation.

Who wants to always be a slave to the lowest common denominator anyway .....

geoff

Hey PHATDRUMS;

If Vegas is years behind, why are you here ?

which TDM plugs do you find superior? If you say bombfactory, maybe but their professed dismay over native systems left a bad taste in a lot of our mouths. Vegas had accoustic mirror LONG before altiverb was out. Sound Replacer is a pitiful sad attempt compared to Drumagog, which cant be run in TDM.

Is the plugin Latency on PT compared to vegas a "superior feature"? Have fun with some phased out drum tracks

funny thing is, waves, timeworks, and tc works are all avaliable in dx.

"Phatdrums" and those who are like him, is one of the reasons why Pro Tools is an industry standard. Not enough brains to open up their eyes and see what else is going on around them and chose a product just because everyone else says it's the best. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Pro Tools and I agree that it is an industry standard. Just like I don't dislike Mc Donalds and agree they're a worldwide "standard" for hamburgers. I don't agree Mc Donalds makes the best hamburger, just like I don't agree Pro Tools is the best recording/editing system. That doesn't stop me from using Pro Tools or eating a Big Mac on occassion either. It just gives me a chance to remind myself how much better Vegas and "In and Out" burgers are then the defacto "Industry standards." Personally, I've used both in professional recording studios and my choice is Vegas over Pro Tools. Hell Vegas is so easy to use, that I can even eat a Big Mac at the same time I'm using Vegas.

The most important feature about Protools that makes it a standard is that it is highly stable and reliable. That's because, you HAVE to use their hardware along with the software. If you have control of both the hardware and software in the system, then the system will be 99% stable. So you can view this as a feature, or you can take the viewpoint of most Vegas users that this is an obsticle....We like to purchase the hardware that meets our needs and budget and then have the software work around it. I believe Ensoniq tried the Pro Tools route with their "Paris" system. Paris was even better than Pro Tools, the problem was that the Pro Tools users aren't gonna jump ship to buy the same product put in a different wrapper, so you see where Paris went.

Vegas also has had some show stoppers for awhile for Pro users. One use to be input monitoring through FX's and NO automation of FX parameters. Finally, that has been added in V4...THANK YOU SF!!! There's one show stopper NOW. NO HARDWARE CONTROL SURFACE SUPPORT.

All in All, the main reason why Pro Tools is an industry standard and Vegas isn't can be summarized in 1 word. "MARKETING"!!!

exactly.

a few plugs from a couple "experts" on digital audio (reznor, perfect circle, etc) and all of a sudden everyone's drooling over PT. it's sonic snobbery.

btw - some of them actually disclose that info inside their CDs ("this album was recorded using PT)! who on earth wants to read that crap? i remember reading a while ago that Tom Waits recorded a lot of his older stuff directly to two tracks, all one take. THAT kind of thing is interesting; if for nothing else than the fact that it's quite a feat. who on earth cares if someone records an album using the "industry standard"? "this meticulous-sounding album recorded using top-of-the-line software with every cheat & shortcut in the book!" way to go, guys.

gimme a break

m

I just
wanted to
let everyone know I recorded
this post in PRO TOOLS.
Notice the superior sound quality
and excellent editing. My ability to put words exactly where I want them is unsurpassed.

By using the industry standard I hope I have suitably impressed all you Vegas users who are using a product that is now 2 years and 2 months behind.

Notice the PHAT sound I get with this editing tool. It helps me be a better musician.

Composed in Pro Tools with TDM plugins.

ha. PHAT points, bro.

I think you just ran sonic foundry out of business.

oops musthave hit a chord there
i must rewrite more posts apre beer
thanks for the constructive comments (not you geoff w, wanker!) nice to see .
i never said i like pro tools but im not stupid enough to deny its superior
position in todays high end audio it is the best in terms hardware /software combination (unlike mcdonalds) and tdms have been fully automatable for a few years now
yet the only thing vegas 4 adds to vv3 is the bolt on automatable fx from
acid 4 hardly a flagship product to make your mouthwater (unless you are in a toy shop)
i know many artists that have a pt system yet never use pt itself but use the hardware to allow themselves the use of tdm system along with other plugs within a
logic enviroment knowing that they can take their hard drive to bombay or wherever
to mix without any problems ie industry standard much the same as ssl mixing desks became for many years (and maybe still are)
ask for vegas in bombay and thell show you a map of northwest america!
vegas great for bedrooms though easy to use and so popular just luck at sales figures for pro audio market for vegas vegas three to four wasnt such great leap as a piss take.
denial not me

ps thanks meridian

<<vegas great for bedrooms though easy to use and so popular just luck at sales figures for pro audio market for vegas vegas three to four wasnt such great leap as a piss take.
denial not me>>

I think this is the first time I've ever witnessed anyone actually slur their words in writing! Have another beer Phat! ;-D

drbam

"i never said i like pro tools but im not stupid enough to deny its superior
position in todays high end audio it is the best in terms hardware /software combination"

Phat,
You're really starting to show how little you know about Pro Tools. Have you ever even used one before? If you have, then please list all the "superior" features it has over other systems like Vegas.

Now I'll ask you this:
Does Pro Tools have the ability to place CD markers along the timeline and then burn a redbook CDR?
Does Pro Tools have "Unlimited" Track capability?
Can you open multiple Protool sessions and copy and paste data from one another?

I believe Vegas was the first one to allow you to mix multiple file formats in a single session, while Pro Tools was locked on a single file format per session... MP3/Wave..at any sample rate and bit depth...Did Pro Tools finally catch up to that idea?
Can you do ANY video editing in Pro Tools?
How about import a video, just so you can do post production sound fX's?
Or do you have to buy an "Avid" to do that?
Can you individually mute events without having to mute the entire track?
Can you right click on an event and open it up in a 3rd party stereo editor?
Can you RESIZE the mixer section, input section, track view?
Can you Dock and Undock windows?
Why is there 3 tools designated for doing simple editing, when you can do them all with 1 in Vegas?
Why do you have to pay $3500 for an 888/24 that only gives you 8in/8out ability?
I have 8 IN/20 Out ability and paid $600 and it sounds just as good if not better!!!
Protools finally got their "Beat Detective" feature....wow..ACID has had that for what 3 years now hasn't it? Why is Protools 3 years behind in this feature?

I came from studios where SSL editiors and Neve audiophiles where used. Those studios use to laugh at "Pro Tool" studios and call them "Amateur"/"Mc Donalds".

If you think Vegas is for "Bedroom" work, then obviously you are nothing but a "Pro Fool".

I was talking to the other dude.

Being sarcastic.

You know.

m

Just wait until PHAT sobers up and realizes he was congratulating and thanking people who were making fun of him.
Pro Tools is cool. Use it if you like it.
Pro Fools is fool. Abuse it and we like it.

"Just wait until PHAT sobers up and realizes he was congratulating and thanking people who were making fun of him."

LOL!!! Phat is the perfect spokesperson for "Pro Fools". Obviously, he's respresenting the masses who use the product that don't know any better. After listening to his ramblings, I'm proud to say that I left Pro Tools years ago and changed to Vegas. It makes my IQ level jump 50 points along with the rest of us Vegas users. If marketing will attract more users like Phat, I say..."shhhhhhh everyone...let's keep Vegas a secret", there's enough morons hanging out at this forum already.