Subject:Midi exporting?

Posted by: desrbd

Date:11/5/2002 6:12:26 AM

Is it possible to import a midi, edit it, and then exporting it again to .midi?

Thanks!

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: SonyNateM

Date:11/5/2002 9:38:42 AM

Yes,

If you load a MIDI track into your ACID project, you can edit it in the Piano Roll and List Editor in the MIDI track's properties. When you are finished, you can click Save in the Track Properties window to save over the original file, or click Save As to save it as a new file.

Hope this helps,

Nate

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: desrbd

Date:11/5/2002 10:38:28 AM

Hi again!

It wont work for me :/ (probably doing it wrong)

When i'm in Tracks properties i cant delete sections, it just saves the whole midi file again. Id like to make the midi file shorter than it is. What i mean is that it never changes in "track properties" even though i edit it in the normal window.

/Thanks

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/5/2002 4:54:24 PM

You are not 'editing' in the normal window or time line. You are painting. When you save or save as from the MIDI Track Properties, you are saving the any edits you have done in the Piano Roll or List Editor.

You edit MIDI in the Piano Roll or the List Editor not from the main ACID time line. You "layout" or "paint" from the main ACID Time line.

When you make edits in the Piano Roll or List Editor, those edits will appear in the events you have "painted" in the main ACID time line. Slicing events and painting events on the main ACID time line are not edits to the MIDI file that is being used by the ACID MIDI track.

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: GeeQ

Date:11/5/2002 7:58:52 PM

I have the same problem.. Someone told me to use Stolen Tracks, but it seems to do not work with me. Yea, I think the only way to export a new arrangement or portion of the midi track is to edit using piano roll. But is it possible to repaint the whole track and export it to midi? Or maybe there are plug-ins out there that could do the task...

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/6/2002 10:41:25 AM

Again, whatever edits you do in the Piano Roll, General Page, or List Editor are what what are saved when you use the track properties save/save as.

There is no "export" or "render" MIDI to a MIDI file in ACID 4 for the entire ACID project.

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: dkistner

Date:11/7/2002 6:59:11 AM

Peter, this was one of the things I was hoping for when I first bought Acid 4.0. I intended to use it as a compositional tool, to wean myself from traditional scoring and still be able to have a full midi score when finished with loop-based constructions that reflects the arrangements done in Acid. I realize now that Acid won't do this, but if SoFo ever were to add it, it would be awesome!

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/7/2002 8:29:15 AM

And it will be something we strongly consider for a future version, as we get many requests for this.

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: sonicanvil

Date:2/27/2003 12:44:13 PM

when i save a midi file in acid it seems to lose its timeline info when imported into other programs and devices. why is that?

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/2/2003 10:12:38 PM

The "timeline" that is saved is that of the piano roll, not the ACID main timeline.

Again, in ACID you paint MIDI on the main time line just like you paint audio loops on the main time line.

ACID does not have a render to new MIDI that will take all of your MIDI tracks and render them to a new MIDI file.

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: sonicanvil

Date:3/14/2003 1:37:52 AM

so how do get whats on the time line into the piano roll after painting?

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/15/2003 9:15:26 AM

Each ACID MIDI track can display a piano roll editor for its MIDI content through its track properties. If you already have a track's Piano Roll visable, you can just select the ACID MIDI track from the main time line and that will be the active track which the Track properties page will display and permit editing of.

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: sonicanvil

Date:3/15/2003 12:22:30 PM

well thats my problem.what i have showing in the track view does not match what shows in the piano roll editor.i've already written the sofo techs and they gave a stock answer that wasn't a answer to my problem. i also noticed that when you move thuings around in the piano editor it does not show up in the track view.try it and see if you have the same issue.

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/17/2003 10:13:24 AM

I have no repro for this.

I added a new MIDI tracks and also dragged a MIDI file to the ACID time line as well.

I opened the track properties for one of the new tracks and painted some notes into the piano roll and the ACID MIDI track immediately updated to show the new notes.

I selected the ACID MIDI Track that was created using an existing MIDI file, and deleted notes. Again, the main ACID time line for that track reflected the change immediately.

What answer did our tech support give you?

Peter

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: analoguekid

Date:3/17/2003 11:23:58 AM

When i'm in Tracks properties i cant delete sections, it just saves the whole midi file again. Id like to make the midi file shorter than it is. What i mean is that it never changes in "track properties" even though i edit it in the normal window.

/Thanks

You can't perform edits in the track properties window. Select view, chopper...work your edits (and see them in the timeline)right mouse click in chopper work area and select chop to new.

Does this accomplish what you're trying to do?

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:3/18/2003 7:10:26 AM

Is there a tutorial about this?

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: SonicJG

Date:3/18/2003 11:24:42 AM

>so how do get whats on the time line into the piano roll after painting?
*As noted above, if you want to do edits on the ACID timeline, and then turn those edits into a new MIDI file, a direct export feature does not exist in 4.0, and we're planning on this for 5.0. The workaround is to route the track out to the Virtual MIDI Router (http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=317), and then record it back in.

>what i have showing in the track view does not match what shows in the piano roll editor.i've already written the sofo techs and they gave a stock answer that wasn't a answer to my problem. i also noticed that when you move thuings around in the piano editor it does not show up in the track view.try it and see if you have the same issue.
*No repro... Which version are you using?

There are tutorials at http://www.sonicfoundry.com/tutorials/default.asp
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/ACID4NewFeaturesPresentation.pdf (MIDI starts on page 11) I don't know whether they cover this specifically, so...

As far as some of the other comments in this thread, there seems to be some misunderstanding about how the data seen in the piano roll and the main timeline connect. To explain in terms of an audio analogy, the ACID timeline is designed to grab little chunks of your audio/MIDI file and draw them out to play at certain times. If you're unsatisfied with the contents of your underlying audio file, you can select "Open in Sound Forge (or other editor)", and change the data, which ACID can later pick up. If you want to change the contents of your underlying MIDI file, you can open the track properties on that file, and change the MIDI data that the Track View will play. From the Piano Roll, you can choose to Save your edits out to the original file, or a new file, if you choose. If you don't save your edits out to the file, they'll be contained in the project.

IOW, the ACID timeline's one-level-of-abstraction model that applies for audio also applies for MIDI. Track Properties is an internal MIDI editor for the underlying data.

I hope this answers at least one or two of the questions above.

Joel

Subject:RE: Midi exporting?

Reply by: sonicanvil

Date:4/5/2003 11:55:38 PM

ok. back to square one. when i make changes whether it it is the time line or piano roll when i attempt to save to an external file the changes are not present. and yes i try to save to the project file first.if i close acid 4.o the changes made in the piano roll are not there when i reopen the file\track\p.roll editor.however if i make the changes in the track (cutting\pasting)those changes will remain but not show up in the piano roll editor.