Subject:anyone using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

Posted by: coolout

Date:2/20/2003 2:26:11 AM

yes, gear lust has me again.

any one using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

how about with a vst wrapper?

is the latency that much of an issue?

i'm also finding a lot of conflicting data and mudslinging from bomb factory and UA.

who really has the the best classic compressor emulation?

Subject:anyone using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:2/20/2003 5:25:01 PM

Its all who you ask. I find the arguement between either kind of dumb. Sort of like two people argueing about how "their" truck was better than the others. One being a Denali and the other being an escalade...get my point. The quality of both is outrageous to todays "native" plugin standards that I feel that if your good at your craft [ie:mixing/mastering] then I don't think anyone would find a difference in quality.

You can't use bombfactory as a DX or VST plugin. Or did they develop for it. I thought it was only for protools.

The reports from the UA forums here...http://www.chrismilne.com/uadforums/ stated that you'll find the initial 3.0 release still has its problems. AND that it was mainly tested with SONAR and not any other DX app like acid/vegas. When I've asked about this on the creative cow vegas forums here:
http://www.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/select_forum.cgi?forum=sonicfoundry_vegas
Douglas Spotted Eagle said that its coming along great but he was using FXpansions VST-DX Wrapper 4.2[beta]. Though it wsn't perfect for him either. I think that peter haler stated that they were using that wrapper as well and the UA DX plugins were not a true[from scratch]dx plugin. [Please correct me if I'm wrong peter]
I never got a response about this at the UA forums...only grief...long story.

All in all I feel that these issues will be corrected sooner than later and getting one of these bad boys would be a good thing. UA's plugins spreadsheet is kind of weak in terms of variety. But the quality in each plugin way outweighs the cons. I really wish they would let third party developers get their hands on it already. Antares was supposed to port "autotune" to the UA card but from what I heard/read the only way that was going to happen was antares was supposed to "hand over" the code to the plugin and then the UA engineers would then do it. Lots of secrecy behind this card. They wouldn't even reveal what CPU was being used!!! I guess this didn't sit well with antares and others since nobody as yet have signed on to port their plugins to UA.

Kind of dreaming about building a DAW like say a P4 3.06HT with 1gig DDR ram[333] with a matrox g550 and a couple of those new western digital 10k rpm HD[possibly serial ata or ata133]. In conjunction with my new Delta 1010 and say 2 UA card I would say that if I couldn't give my clients a good product "THEN" I should up and quit...And we all know that ain't gonna happen. ;)

Ed.

Subject:anyone using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:2/20/2003 5:27:14 PM

Sorry I forgot to mention that the UA card works better at lower latencys. Everyone using it with cubase sx/nuendo are lovin it. Next its our turn.

Ed.

Subject:RE: anyone using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

Reply by: billybk

Date:2/21/2003 10:41:59 AM

Yeah, I've been using the UAD-1 3.0 DX plugins, but not with any SOFO products, just SONAR 2.2. SONAR is the only "officially supported" DX at this time. It works just like using any other native DX plugin, except that you cannot loop a project when actively using the PPI's in a project. To loop, you will need to disable the PPI's, from the UAD performance monitor window(there is a global switch to turn on & off all PPI's with a mouse click from the desktop). Other than that, the DX plugs are working great for me in my projects. I tried to use the DX versions in ACID 4, but the end result was that ACID would crash every time. The DX versions would not loop either, a BIG NO NO, for a loop arranger like ACID. But, you can use the VST versions of the plugs in ACID 4, by using the latest FXpansion VST-DX 4.2b Adapter.
They work just like any other wrapped plugin, and unlike the DX versions, you CAN loop the UAD-1 plugs when using the adapter. This is a big advantage for ACID 4, because you cannot loop projects in SONAR in any UAD version (DX or VST). It sure is nice to be able to loop a project in ACID while using the high quality UAD-1 VST plugins. In a loop test, using (7) total UAD-1 VST plugins in an ACID 4 project,(2) on track inserts, (2) on an AUX bus and (3) on the Master, I looped an eight bar section and after ten minutes the timing was still tight and the tracks remained in accurate sync. This is using the FXpansion 4.2b, Delta (ACID40Fix) drivers and ACID 4 in ASIO mode, all matched @ 23.2msec(1024 samples). So yes, you can use the UAD-1 3.0 plugs in ACID 4, but you need to use the VST versions, wrapped with the FXpansion 4.2b Adapter. One odd anomaly I found whenever you press play to start a project, using the UAD-1 with SOFO apps(VST or DX), is that the Windows Task Manager will show a huge increase in CPU usage. Disabling and then re-enabling the PPI's once the project is playing results in a dramatic decrease in CPU usage. For example, a typical project when not using the PPI's would have 21%-26 CPU usage. I add (7) PPI's and the CPU usage sky rockets to 75%. While the project is still playing, if I disable and then re-enable the PPI's the CPU usage deceases back down to the 21%-26% range. Which is where it should be since the PPI's are using the DSP card and not the native CPU. It is like that in Vegas 4 too. It is really weird behavior. It does not happen in SONAR though. It could be a SOFO bug when using the UAD-1.

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: anyone using the uad-1 card w/ directx ?

Reply by: coolout

Date:2/21/2003 2:46:30 PM

with that said i'm kind of torn.

i can get a audiomedia III and the bombfactory plugs off ebay for about the same price, but i'd have to comp vocals in protools or stick the digi card in another machine.

i had really hoped the intergration of the uad would be seemless.

but then again the uad is about half the price of other dsp cards and the hype surrounding the compressors are incredible.

a mac/protools fanatic friend of mine told me six months ago the uad would probably be a waste. after reading reviews and hitting the limitations of his G4 he now craves one too. he already has the bombfactory plugs.

billy, give me your honest opinion of the uad compressors vs. waves vs. bombfactory.