Isn't there a forum somewhere for Nuendo users? hint. . .

drbam

Nuendo has 4 things over vegas
need we count the things vegas has over nuendo ?

nuendo sux a$$

I love Vegas and am not considering switching, but Pipeline's
mention of those 4 things has got me wondering what they might be.
Would like to know.

Dave

my list of four anyway

1. Auto Input, just like any professional tape recorder

2. Hardware Control Surfaces

3. native VST implementation ( not such a big deal to me anymore, since Peter from SF and Rune from Ultrafunk got the Ultrafunk Gate straightened out)

4. Midi

For me, those four together dont add up to compete with vegas' autocrossfades, not to mention everything else vegas has to offer

yes, that is one of the biggest stronpoints of Vegas, the ease of fading...

just pull your cursor here, look! a fade tool... pull you cursor there, LOOK! you can trim the file! no changing tools, totally easy and the FASTEST and most INGENIOUS workflow I have EVER seen.

as far as the 4 things pipeline mentioned,

1. I would like to know more about this one...
2. yes, this IS a downside, but not a very big one for me..
3 and 4= I do all of this stuff in Fruityloops, it is my sequencer.. I do sort of wish for the future that there would be some way to hook these together, but doesnt really make that big of a difference now...

Vegas is da bomb!

so all we really need now.. is rewire to ACID, and some hardware control implemetation. Then Vegas will be king of all.

To be fair, for what I do mostly... it is beyond perfect, the tool does not get in the way of the creative process, which is something I could certainly not say of most things steinborg.

Let's hope Sonic Foundry does not become 'assimilated'

Vegas 4, is a giant leap, and hopefully their foothold on the audio market will grow significantly.

The problem lies with the people who want to do a little programming / creation, and a little multitracking. Hook up Acid and Vegas with Rewire, and there is your majority market. Certainly the case in the UK.

Record acoustic musicians or a rock act in Vegas... you're already onto a winner. Create and manipulate in ACID. just that tiny little bridge to make all that money...

and samplitude?
it's the best....no?

Hello,

5. Punch-in on fly

6. VSTi

Cheers

samplitude is quite good, but I would go into that with a good sound card..

Also, it still doesnt beat vegas in some ways... someone told me the difference but I forgot..anywaym, samplitude is sexier looking, and nice, better than nuendo for multitrack, but I like vegas better:)

Ya gotta love that brokenrecords...NUENDO is a real DAW!

I've converted.
It rocks.
Thoughts?

Are you insecure?
Do you need support for you decision?

If you've converted and it rocks, go away.
When you have a question about Vegas, come on back.

ahh sorry forgot number 5

Why the hell would you need MIDI and VSTi in Vegas?

Auto Inputs, control surface support, sure. VST effects, hey, why not. As for the rest... Go bother someone who cares.

I'm with you, Johan. Keep Midi and VSTi the hell away from Vegas.

Vegas is an environment for extremely quick non-linear, non-destructive audio and video editing. It's not intended for content creation, even though its integration with Sound Forge certainly makes that possible.

Now, I don't feel that VSTi's and MIDI belong to that picture. The reason I've never purchased Nuendo, for example, is that I have Logic for music and Vegas for editing, and I can't imagine how anyone of sound mind and heart would try to squeeze those two HUGE fields of work into a single application. It's just too much for one screen (or two screens in my case). Let the painter paint and the baker bake.

And, more to the point, the reason I write this post is because I'm sick and tired of people trying to design web pages in Microsoft Word, who nag Photoshop about its lousy DTP features, who bleed Winamp to death because it doesn't encode good mp3's and who think there should be scoring features in Fruityloops.

I say unto thee: Get the right tools for the right job!

(let flaming commence)

I think you are trying to wind us up..

Vegas is "real", I am doing "real" work with it. Sometimes I do "real" work on Nuendo too. Choose the best tools for job at hand.
If you think Nuendo is "it" then you haven't used it much yet have you...
Nuendo's big plus is it can assign anything to any hardware controller which is good for controls like transport, solo, record arm etc
It also makes getting a quick mix up very fast, but for fine adjustments past that you have to use keyboard or mouse anyway, and the envelope system in vegas is just faster and easier to use.

Try doing a few hours of fast intensive editing in Nuendo and you'll go bananas...

Actually the fastest editer I use is Soundscape, but that is not comparable to PC apps.

are you on crack man ? can you not apply everything you just said to * video * and that is ALL OVER vegas and yet it causes me no concern

I certainly dont want nuendo, but if they made video this unobtrusive, I think they could do the same with midi.

can you imagine the wonderful, simple piano roll editor SF would create? Ive seen the Acid one, and it is good, but nothing like I would expect from SF, I think if they made one in vegas, theyd have to do their UI magic to it... Midi is no great concern of mine, but it would be fun

and if not internal to vegas, then, surely a way to run acid and vegas at the same time sensibly right? Like the rewire thing ?

What, you sellin'? =)

No, serisouly. I really don't think the video stuff belongs. We all remember the steaming discussion the introduction of video caused among the more fundamental audio pro's on this forum a few years ago, and I agreed with some of them.

Having said this, I completely agree with you that they made it very unobtrusive. Perfect word for it. Still, if anyone would have suggested it to me today, I would never have wanted video features in Vegas, but that's just because, well, I don't do video.

Oh, and hey, I'm all for the Rewire thing! Actually, that's what I applaud about Steinberg products: They all fit together. However, they also come in separate packages, with separate software for separate use. And, even though they try not to bloat their software, I still think Nuendo went too far, and that's the reason I don't like it. But, please, this is just my opinion. Let's skip that part of the discussion, to avoid unneccessary hassle. Nuendo is cool, just not my cup of tea.

My real point was: I'm scared of Sonic Foundry being coaxed into bloating Vegas into a semi-sequencer, wasting time on features that other programs do better. I'd rather see improved editing features, and easier integration with e.g. control surfaces. MIDI and VSTi's are a Pandora's box.

So there. I hope that made it a bit more clear.

yeah, Im with you John. If I understand it right, there could be a way that like a track-ish kind of thing could be muted or soloed inside of vegas, yet really the track want a track right? The " track " just represents the output of another app like acid, which is carrying the audio output of MIDI and VSTi's ? Dont know if I have that quite right...but that way we could leave vegas be.

Every once in a while it kills me that I spend my life recording other people's music, and wish one day I could make my own. I just cant get into cubendo and logic, and figure that SF doing a MIDI thing, stronger than the way they currently have it implemented in Acid, would give me an easier leg up on making my own stuff...as it is right now, I cant see how you could be making up sequence parts in Acid, while playing a guitar thru Amplitube or Nigel in vegas.

"Posted by: JohanAlthoff (Ignore This User)
>Date: 2/8/2003 8:33:45 PM

>Why the hell would you need MIDI and VSTi in Vegas?

Now if I am recording an artist with a midi backing track, once I have recorded the midi audio, I cannot alter anything without having to rerecord it, losing synch with the other recorded audio.

I don't want to to have to jump through hoops with MTC and crap ( not to mention system stability compromises running multi apps) to be able to change the panning of one instrument in a mix. Just a simple midi player, with channel mute, patch, vol, and panning. Could be by way of a DX plugin.

geoff

PS And whoever wants to make broken records ;-)

Well... That might be kinda tricky since you then would have to have access to all the plugins used to make that MIDI track, and that basically means implementing an entire softsynth sequencer into Vegas. Myself, I would choose to record my stuff directly into the sequencer. But I'm not gonna say that's your way of doing it. Point well taken.

And, in response to da Pipeman:

Yeah, IF we're getting MIDI, that's how I would like to see it to, just like video events. A normal track with events that you double-click to edit. My problem is with tempo; you'd have to come up with a clever way of implementing tempo and tempo changes into Vegas without restructuring the whole work flow...

"Ive converted to a real audio program, Nuendo.
Man, it rocks. No comparison to Vegas.
Thoughts?"

Don't you just love a good sh*tdisturber?!?
Asks for thoughts and doesn't come back to read them.

"Ive converted to a real audio program, Nuendo. Man, it rocks."
I'm happy for you, hope you like it.

"No comparison to Vegas."
Most here would agree with you... just not the way you intended.


"Thoughts?"
If or when you come back to these forums, you better come up with a new username, or get ready for some razzin'. Ever hear of not burning your bridges?

M