Can Vegas 4 create an NTSC elementry Video and AUdio stream???

Finatic13 wrote on 2/7/2003, 1:31 AM
Hi All

Been using Vegas 3, one flaw is that it will only create seperate NTSC streams by doing the video first, then the audio, yet you can create both of these streams in one go if you want PAL!!!!!
I would have thought this to be one of the simplelist things to add,
is the above now possibe ???


regards
Simon

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SonyPJM wrote on 2/7/2003, 1:48 PM
I've created a script that might help:

RenderDVD.js.txt

It renders a project in two stages for use in DVD Architect. The
first stage renders the video as MPEG-2 (NTSC), second renders the
audio as AC3.

Hope this helps!
Finatic13 wrote on 2/7/2003, 2:09 PM
thanks for the reply Sonic, im using REEL DVD and just wondered if what i asked is possible,im guessing from your reply its not or you would have said so.

I just cant understand why it isnt (if it isnt).

I could understand it been the other way round and been able to do it in NTSC but not in PAL, (due to your customer base) but cant understand why its only in PAL and not NTSC ?
regards
Simon
Luxo wrote on 2/7/2003, 2:29 PM
Simon, that script should do what you want it to do. ReelDVD imports AC3 files just fine, 5.1 or stereo. But I understand where you're coming from -- I've wondered the same thing using Vegas 3.0.

SonicPJM, how hard would it be to modify the script to output either AC3 or 48khz WAV? Maybe it could bring up a drop down menu when the script is run to ask the user which he'd like? I'm not a programmer, so ignore me if this is a ton of work... but if it could do both, it would be useful to those who don't have the AC3 encoder.
Jamz wrote on 2/7/2003, 2:46 PM
Before I began using Vegas I was a premiere user & it was the same way. For Reel DVD export the video elementary stream then export the audio stream. No idea why but that's the way it's always been. At least with vegas everything runs smoothly. Couldn't say that back in the day with premiere.
SonyPJM wrote on 2/7/2003, 3:08 PM
Not hard to make that change, in fact I just updated the script to do
allow the user to choose 48 KHz Wave rather than AC-3. The choice is
made in the second save-file dialog (whose title reads "Render Audio
File")... Pick Wave as the file format filter in this dialog.

The script is still here (you may need to hit refresh on your browser to get the changes if it has already cached the old version of the script).

B.T.W. If you want to try this script, save it as RenderDVD.js (not RenderDVD.js.txt). I added the txt extension so it will look OK in your browser.
Finatic13 wrote on 2/7/2003, 3:55 PM
Hi

I think there maybe a little confusion as to what im wanting here.

If you select to render as seperate streams you can only do this to a PAL source, as its says in the render selection window, "DVD pal seperate streams" this makes an M2v elementary video file and an audio file.

If i want to do the above to an NTSC file i have to first render the video stream,because in the render window it only says "DVD NTSC VIDEO stream" then go back in and render the audio, whereas the above makes both with a PAL file in one pass.


Maybe its me that confused but ive read the messages again and it seams its not:>)


regards
Simon
p.s can someon explain to me how t use the script and where to put it?, many thanks
Luxo wrote on 2/7/2003, 9:00 PM
Your PS betrays your confusion. :-) The script will do exactly what you want: render the m2v and the wav (or ac3) seperately without any input from you. Scripts are part of the magic of Vegas 4 -- there is much that can be done.

Do as SonicPJM says and download the script. Remove the .txt extention so that its name is RenderDVD.js (not RenderDVD.js.txt). Make a folder in your Vegas folder called Scripts. Put the script in there. Then start Vegas 4, get your project ready to render, then goto Tools -> Scripting -> Run Script. Find your script, and let it work its magic.

As you see from the Scripting menu, you can program the script to a hotkey. (Awesome addition, SOFO!)

Luxo
Finatic13 wrote on 2/8/2003, 2:38 AM
Hi Luxo
thanks for the tip, can you just run me through stp by step about downloading and renaming the script.

I see the text on the webpage, how do i actually download this?? i have tried the following:

Right clicked on the link Sofof left and selected Save target, that gets me a text file on my desktop, but the textfile has all the description of the script in aswell that Sofo wrote, its also only a .js file, i cant see anything where is says its a txt file, although it must be as it opens as text.
thanks again
regards
Simon
rwsjr wrote on 2/8/2003, 6:21 AM
This is very handy. However, how can one tweak this so the audio file automatically goes into the same folder as the video file and starts the render without user intervention? I like to let these run while I sleep or when I am at work. This would approach perfection if I could walk away and have my files ready when I return.
Luxo wrote on 2/8/2003, 7:00 PM
Ok, you probably need to turn off "hide extentions of known file types" in your folder options to see the .txt extention. But here.

Right click here, choose save target as, and save it to your scripts folder. It already has the proper name. You should be able to run it from Vegas fine now.
Finatic13 wrote on 2/9/2003, 2:18 AM
Hi Luxo
Thanks ever so much for the help,ive got it working:>) BUT the script renders the file as an MPEG for the video(not M2v) the audio as AC3 which fine:>)
regards
Simon
SonyPJM wrote on 2/10/2003, 10:21 AM

I have modified the script so that all the user interaction is done
before rendering begins... same number of dialogs but you can go to
sleep once rendering begins.

here it is
Finatic13 wrote on 2/10/2003, 11:24 AM
can you please PLEASE alter it so it does M2v instead of MPEG 2 which is what it does now, that was the reason for the start of my thread:>)
thanks
Si
rwsjr wrote on 2/10/2003, 11:42 AM
This is a winner. Looking forward to trying this when I get home.
PixelStuff wrote on 2/10/2003, 11:54 AM
What's wrong with the Main Concept MPEG-2 plug-in settings, inside the "custom..." button under the "System" tab where it has a check box saying.

[]Save as separate elemetary streams

Does this not work with NTSC? I can check it and don't get any kind of message that makes me believe it needs to be PAL or will turn into PAL. I'm using Vegas 3.

JBJones
SonyPJM wrote on 2/10/2003, 4:50 PM

This script was originally written for use with DVD Architect so I'd
rather not alter the download (not to mention, I'm afraid I don't know
what M2v is and I don't think I have it installed).

But I think you can easily alter your version of the script to suit
your needs... just change videoRendererRegexp and videoTemplateRegexp
to values appropriate for the renderer and template you wish to use.
Also change the video file extension (".mpg") and filter to M2v (or
whatever).

If you fill me in on M2v (what is the value of the "Save as type" and
"Template" fields in the Render dialog) I can probably give you the
exact changes for you to make.
jetdv wrote on 2/10/2003, 8:56 PM
M2V is a "video only" MPEG file. i.e. there is no audio muxed with the video. However, it has already been said that Vegas 4 and DVD-A cannot use M2V files so there is really no need to modify for M2V.
Finatic13 wrote on 2/11/2003, 2:12 AM
Hi SonicPJM thanks for all your doing, if you look at my original message for this thread, it has nothing to do with DVD Architect.

Heres the deal:

When i go to render my project, i am given the option of "DVD PAL seperate streams" this creates an M2v video file and a seperate audio file in one go.(as the render template says " seprate streams")

If i want to do the the identical thing but in NTSC there is only the option that says "NTSC DVD Video stream" i then have to create the audio file seperatly.

What i cant understand is why cant you have the same thing in NTSC as you have in PAL??? i would have thought if anything it would be the other way round, considering your customer base.

regards
Simon

lgmtech wrote on 2/12/2003, 11:44 PM
Hi, simonwim. I have the same problem with elementary streams. I need these in order to use Dazzle DVD Complete. I don't think anyone ever answered your question.

lgmtech
Finatic13 wrote on 2/13/2003, 3:08 AM
"I don't think anyone ever answered your question."

lol, i KNOW no one has answered my question yet,lol. It must be such a simple thing to do, its there for PAL sources why cant it be there for NTSC???
regards
Simon
Luxo wrote on 2/13/2003, 1:39 PM
Oh for goodness sake. :-) I completely agree that it doesn't make any sense for Vegas to have a "render seperate streams" option for PAL only, and I've often wondered about this. But the script SonicPJM wrote circumvents this problem fine. He wrote it to render a .mpg file (a video stream compatible with DVD Architect -- dunno why SOFO didn't just adopt .m2v video streams, but probably because they don't contain project info used for chapter breaks) but if you tweak one line of the script you can make it render a standard NTSC video stream (.m2v) compatible with ReelDVD.

If you don't want to tweak the script, just download this pre-tweaked one. I've tested it, it seems to work. Renders NTSC elementary video (.m2v) and audio streams (.ac3 or .wav). Thanks for your help SonicPJM.
Finatic13 wrote on 2/13/2003, 2:00 PM
Thanks very much luxo,its the simple things in like that keep most people happy, took 21 posts to get it but i got there in the end:>)
thanks for the scrip, and thanks for the help
kind regards
Simon
klaatu2 wrote on 8/16/2003, 11:34 AM
Does this script use the "best" setting for rendering the video or the "good", What is the difference between the two? Thanks!