>>Vegas also doesn't have a master tempo and time signature like acid does either, and these are primary function of midi.<<

Personally I didnt care about midi, but I thought it would be nice to be able to change the tempo and time signature the metronome beats in, as a lot of the songs I record into vegas (with a real band setting) have multiple time signature changes, and or tempo changes. Its nice to record to a click track sometimes, ya know?

Ahh well, I can just pre-map the song in Acid, and export out the master click track. I was just hoping to drop this step.

-ScoriaMM

Agree that time signature and tempo changes would be an extremely useful (and simple?) feature to implement.

Ben

I'll put my vote too in for the need to be able to change time signatures
and tempos during a song (thus the metronome and the grid).
Should I record such changes in a different Vegas project and then
piece them together later?

Oh, well...still a great program.

Dave

Change time signatures and tempo - sure you can. You play the changes and vegas records them. Don't you think you should be using Acid if that is teh sort of thing you want to do ?

But I keep my vote in for a simple synched MIDI playback track. And if you have that (the midi synch side) why not DXi and VSTi too, but that could come later.

geoff

"Should I record such changes in a different Vegas project and then
piece them together later?"

If you need tempo changes, then you can create tempo changes in Acid 4 and send a midi beat clock and have Vegas Sync to an external midi beat clock. Maybe not quite as simple as you're asking for, but definitely doable since the release of Vegas 1.0

I've never had this desire, because usually I have my sequencer and ACid synced together, where I handle the preproduction tempo changes in that stage. Once that's done, I then record all my midi tracks and acid tracks into vegas using Vegas as the master SMPTE sync device and ACID along with my sequencer syncs to Vegas. This is the way I do things, because this is the way I started doing things when I recorded to DA-88's, Adats, and 2 inch that where synced up with my sequencers and midi tracks. Maybe if I didn't have this experience I would feel the same way you do. For me to think about Vegas having tempo changes going on is like asking my DA-88 to playback at different speeds while I'm recording. This may be just my prefered way of working, but I think you guys need to maybe learn how to sync outside programs and devices with Vegas and utilizing the features that are already there. It just makes logical sense to me, than having redundant features.

Vegas does not chase to a "MIDI beat clock". Never has.

Vegas only tiggers to incomming MTC.

Peter

Sorry, you're right my bad. I was thinking about ACID, when I made that statement. Acid does have midi beat changes and does sync to MTC though and midi beat clock coming from my sequencer.

With out beating on this - and I just want everybody that may read this to be clear:

- ACID/Vegas only triggers to MTC.
- ACID/Vegas generate MTC and MIDI Clock

None of our products sync/chase/trigger to MIDI Clock.

NOTE: MTC and MIDI Clock generation are busted in the Vegas 4 beta.

Peter

I cant imagine Vegas and acid ever really being stable enough to run locked together in front of paying customers, but I admit I probably havent tried since vegas 2. If you DO do this tho, wont the two apps be fighting over the same soundcard drivers, even if they are using separate ins and outs?

Yep, sorry for the confusion, let me rephrase how I do this. I've done this so many times it's become second nature, and I boggled around how to accomplish this.

I do preproduction by syncing my sequencer to Acid. Acid generates a Midi Beat Clock, that my sequencer will sync to, so midi tracks and Acid Tracks sync with any tempo changes within Acid. Once this process is complete I record into Vegas. Vegas generates Midi Time Code, which ACID will chase too. Therefore at the same time Acid is outputing Midi Beat clock, which my sequencer chases too, and Acid is syncing to MTC coming from Vegas. So once I hit Play in Vegas, everything will play together along with any tempo changes. I record all the Audio tracks from ACID, and then Record all the audio coming from my keyboards/samplers being triggered by the midi notes of my sequencer, into Vegas.

I know, it sounds kinda confusing, but makes logical sense once you've done it a few times.

Makes perfect sense - though I wish there were an easier solution. Lots of hoops you are jumping through.

Peter

"Makes perfect sense - though I wish there were an easier solution. Lots of hoops you are jumping through.

Peter"

There is.
It's called Rewire; it's omission from Vegas 4 boggles the mind -- I know it was much requested through all the proper channels.
Now even Pro Tools has a bridge to Rewire.
Why has Sonic Foundry chosen to ignore an emerging, widely adopted standard and stay on the Tower of Babble?
I'd be curious to know if it was a marketing decision.
About SMPTE/MTC: I've been making records for a living for many years. Now that sample accurate synch is available, timecode is no longer -- or shouldn't be -- neccesary. It's a horrible choice with resolution so coarse you can drive a truck through it. You would never spread drums across SMPTE-locked machines before no matter how good the hardware involved, not if you could help it.
I hate to sound like a "special interest group," but synching Vegas to Acid or any other app through MTC is just not tight enough for the work I do; editing adjustments always have to be made after the fact.
As I said, I do this for a living, often under a lot of pressure. I can still kludge my way through any need to use softsynths and sequencing, but all the wonderful improvements in Vegas 4 (and to be honest I haven't seen it yet as I've been working out of the country) probably don't add up to the simple adoption of Rewire in terms getting my work done.
(Okay bus and fx tracks and bus effects pre fader are great things and somebody will no doubt benefit -- some day soon -- from 5.1 mixing...)
Anyway, it's still my favorite interface and I still dread having to work on Pro Tools when I do. But come on...
I would love an explanation.

>>But come on...I would love an explanation.
Time and resources.

Okay. That's a fair answer and certainly one I can respect.
I personally believe connectivity to be of outsize value and I hope you get to it.
Cheers.

Yes, there are workarounds to figuring click tracks for songs
that have tempo changes. In fact, using Acid is exactly what I do.
It isn't that much of a hassel, true, but I still wish Vegas had this
ability since even when using my click track made in Acid, the Vegas
grid is totally off after any tempo changes.

Dave