Subject:delay lama

Posted by: L25

Date:1/8/2003 8:56:22 PM

Just tried this VSTi in ACID. I am not sure if this is suppose to be funny, but I am ROTFL. Has anyone tried this with ACID. I recorded a MIDI track with my keyboard, and I can playback midi track and change the glide, delay and voice in real time, but I can't figure out how to record those changes, the documentation says:

"you can record your moves made on the XY-pad of the interface. If your host application supports the plug to send midi data, it is able to record the midi data coming from the XY-pad". Cubase can do this, can ACID?

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L25

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: pwppch

Date:1/9/2003 12:37:25 AM

"you can record your moves made on the XY-pad of the interface. If your host application supports the plug to send midi data, it is able to record the midi data coming from the XY-pad". Cubase can do this, can ACID?

No. ACID does not permit the recording of MIDI data sent by a VSTi.

Peter

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: coolout

Date:1/10/2003 7:09:04 PM

one more reason why acid pro's vsti support is not up to snuff.

and whatever happened to fixing the vsti volume bug?

it's still there, still bugging me and the person in the next room when the volume jumps up.

peter why don't you guys just give us REWIRE and shut us up.

coolout

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: dhanjit

Date:1/11/2003 6:23:21 AM

Delay Lama is a VSTi and not Rewire compatible. I'm sick of hearing how Rewire is the killer element that Acid is missing. It's actual uses are very limited. For the Delay Lama you'd be better of using it in a VST host VSTi like Fruity Loops.

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: coolout

Date:1/11/2003 7:50:49 AM

"Delay Lama is a VSTi and not Rewire compatible."

dhanjit, i know what a vsti is and what REWIRE is.

"I'm sick of hearing how Rewire is the killer element that Acid is missing."

if you've used rewire before you would get what i'm saying.

if you only use one app for all your music then it wouldn't matter to you.

i didn't understand the importance of rewire until i USED IT.

it IS the killer element that acid is missing and this is a good example why.

so L25 has a track in acid pro that he or she wants to use the delay lama on. the only option is to stream the whole acid sequence as a wav file into another vsti host like fruityloops.

but wait...L25 would then have to stream the delay lama part as a wav file back into acid if he wants to change the mix or arrangement of the acid parts.

back and forth, back and forth. it's not an efficient way of composing.

instead of dealing with the bugs or limitations of acid pro, REWIRE would allow acid to do what it does BEST and then be intergrated with programs that do things BETTER. without having to wait for SOFO to work out the bugs and add more features.

you'll never hear reason users complain about vst effects, vsti support, surround or the sequencer.

why...because they have rewire and can instantly sync the tempo, song position, and audio output to cubase, logic, sonar, ableton live, or orion. whichever they feel comfortable using.

that doesn't sound like limited use, it sounds like the opposite.

REWIRE = FREEDOM

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: analoguekid

Date:1/11/2003 1:58:00 PM

REWIRE = FREEDOM to use other software apps and stop crying...

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: analoguekid

Date:1/11/2003 1:58:00 PM

REWIRE = FREEDOM to use other software apps and stop crying...

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: dhanjit

Date:1/11/2003 3:27:03 PM

The issue with the Delay Lama is about Acid's VSTi implementation. Having Rewire would make no difference.

You say "you'll never hear reason users complain about vst effects, vsti support, surround or the sequencer"!

Well there's this thing called "the internet" and it's full of Reason users complaining, not least about VSTi support.

There are good arguments for Rewire being included in Acid. I have Rewire compatible apps myself. But it won't fix any perceived shortcomings in the VSTi implemetation in Acid.

Subject:RE: delay lama

Reply by: coolout

Date:1/11/2003 10:42:13 PM

"Well there's this thing called "the internet" and it's full of Reason users complaining, not least about VSTi support."

dhanjit, i think i've heard of that "internet" thing.

the funny thing is when i go to reasonstation.net (the reason community site) and search the forums for vsti or vst, i don't find ANY posts from users complaining about the lack of vst or vsti support.

they must have that "rewire" thing and just use another host for vsti.

try searching the acid forums for rewire and see what comes up.

i donno...maybe, just maybe, some guys might feel they need that "rewire" thing.

"The issue with the Delay Lama is about Acid's VSTi implementation. Having Rewire would make no difference."

that's just my point: rewire WOULD fix all shortcomings with acid's vsti implementation because you could just use ANOTHER vsti host (logic, cubase, or orion) at the same time without having to stream and import wav files back and forth.

the limitations of acid's vsti support are real.

the volume jumps when the sequence is stopped, there's no multiple outs, you can't record midi data from within the vsti (which probably means there's no parameter automation without an external midi controller), not to mention i never get as good asio latency as my other apps.

i don't blame SOFO. acid's only had vsti support for 4 months. other folks have been working on this for YEARS.

AntiFMStatus is right, if acid pro had rewire i wouldn't be crying...just using another app for vsti and acid for loops.

what's wrong with that?