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Subject:Acid 4.0b crashing
Posted by: clarksil
Date:12/19/2002 7:40:31 PM
OK here we go again. I just installed the excellent plugsound demos and Acid has crashed everytime I try to use them. Is this the beginning of more problems? Is 4.0b really any more stable than 4.0a? I am sure we'll all know in a week or so. Plugsound works fine in Cubase. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: clarksil
Date:12/22/2002 1:55:38 PM
Just wanted to get this up again see if anybody had a looksee!! |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:12/22/2002 2:36:39 PM
Address all complaints to the new owner: Eli Lilly & Co. They just had a non-liability clause for Acid bugs inserted into the Homeland Security Act, and any attempt to access their support page results in a late-night visit to your home by John Ashcoft's Software Patrol. Plus if the words "crashed" and "Acid" appear in any post anywhere on the net, the Knowledge is Power brigade will have you labeled a hallucinogenic-consuming terrorist plotting to bring down airplanes. Much safer to say, "4.0b has a tummy ache." |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:12/22/2002 4:36:11 PM
Maruuk...And you wonder why people think your an idiot. How about downloading the demo and see what shakes loose so that we can pinpoint the prob and help. Oh I'm sorry you just would rather go the easy route and cry like a bitch and waste everyones time instead. Perfect example of you sticking your head somewhere and making a comment for NO other reason than to start trouble. What an @$$! Clarksil...What OS are you using? Soundcard? etc... I'll do a check and see if anything happens with me. I'll post back soon. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:12/22/2002 7:18:26 PM
Ok all done... First...AWESOME PLUGINS!!! The synths were sooooo cool. The plugsound 5 demo 1 synth had a great tone to it. I was able to create a "flying saucer" effect using the plugsound 5 demo 2 plugin. Turn the vibrato wheel all the way up and mess with the filter envelopes and play notes in the upper register of the keyboard with a long sustain to them...FUN! Second...not so fun...Yes I've crashed quite a bit using the demos but I think I've narroweed down the problem. How I've crashed...[with all 4 demos] 1. Closing the "soft synth properties" view and reopening it [alt+8 or drop down menu]. Happens always. 2. Crash when I changed presets...frequent/mild=sometimes but not always. 3. Soft synth properties page "docked"...Used handles to move left/right or up/down caused a crash...once in a while. How I've avoided crashes... 1. NEVER close the "soft synth properties" page...EVER! Leaving it open and adjusting the parameters of the demos BUT NOT the preset up/down arrows has never caused a crash thus far. Good news. [plus the fact that changing the presets causes a crash somewhat infrequent means that you can still play with the other patch sometimes] 2. If you can't stand seeing the plugin "docking and undocking" the "soft synth properties" page hasn't crashed at all. Remember...don't close and open it...just dock and undock. 3.Able to switch between tabs like soft synth properties,explorer,chopper,etc..back and forth and haven't had a crash yet. 4. I was able to change between the demos easily just by clicking on the edit soft synth button on the upper right hand corner of the soft synth properties view and just selecting a different one and clicking ok...no crash. 5. After each crash I lose a pair of outputs on my soundcard[ie: I click on the "Master Faders routing button" to select which soundcard outputs I wish to choose,1/2 is always missing after a crash]...A reboot is needed to reset everything...no damage done. My system...[don't laugh I'm upgrading soon ;)] HP Pavilion 600mhz cpu 384 ram Windows XP Pro[no service pack...if it ain't broke...] Acid Pro 4.0b build 317 Layla 20bit with 6.05 drivers with acid asio buffer size set to 256=5ms latency. Tweaked for audio/video. When leaving everything alone and just "playing around" with the parameters of the synth and playing piano I've had no problems or crashes. I've actually stopped playing to go take a piss...came back and kept playing...talked on the phone...came back and kept playing. Some clicks but very infrequent. Here's a bug that I've found in the demos readme .pdf file under "Known issues" that might shed some light on whats going on...I'm only guessing mind you. Cubase:when switching between the large and small interface, an inconsequential graphics bug might occur. If you want to have the correct graphics,close the window and reopen it...possibly in cubase it draws the plug wrong and in acid it causes the crash as well. Whenever I closed and reopened the soft synth properties view it reopened with no dials/faders...nada. Then crashed. Plus it took a second and hanged there so I was able to see this clearly. It looks to me that neither pluginsounds or sofo tested one another because you don't even see them listed in the pdf. I'll mess with this further and post back later. I'll email sofo support and pluginsounds support with my findings. I think that you should as well so that both of them puts this at a high priority to be fixed. I hope this helps. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: clarksil
Date:12/22/2002 8:17:22 PM
Shtunot (great name by the way!!), Wow, when you test, you sure do a complete one. Thanks for going this far so far!! I decided to buy the vol 4, Hip Hop and let me tell, it is absolutely awesome. The demo barely scrathces the surface of possibilities and sounds included in the full version!! Since it hasn't been working very nice in Acid, I spent the better part of today playing with in in Cubase. It truly rocks and has some very unique things. At $89.00 per module (Sweetwater), I will be buying all of them eventually. It worked flawlessly in Cubase by the way. AS far as my setup: Win ME ( believe it or not it has been pretty stable for me despite the trash talk about it); P2 400, 512 M ram, Layla 20 using Windows classic drivers (they seem to work better than the ASIO with my present setup); Acid Pro 4.0b; EZbus; Soundblaster Live Platinum. ( I have a p4, 1.6 gig sitting on the desk across from me just waiting to be installed, but as you said, if it ain't broke...). I have an e-mail out to plugsound, but not to sofo. Will e-mail sofo shortly. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: clarksil
Date:12/22/2002 8:47:00 PM
OK, I tried the ASIO Layla driver (v 5.06) and it still crashes. It will allow me to change the preset twice, but when trying to change to a 3rd preset, boom!! The plugsound website does recommend at least a p3, but as I previously mentioned, It worked flawlessly in Cubase, so looks like another Acid problem. So far, I don't find 4.0b to be any more stable. It's weird how they force the VSTi folder to be in program files/vst plugins. I keep all of my VST plugins in a different folder, but have to duplicate the instrument files in the preset directory if I want to use them!!! When I do a search on my main VSTi folder, it searches and adds to a point, then crashes!!! Many problems to be worked out with this version. Lets hope sofo sells the audio division to a respectable company who will carry on with sofo audio stuff. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:12/22/2002 10:25:43 PM
Ok your not going to believe me but try this... 1. Open up acid. 2. Create a new midi track. 3.Insert Soft Synth [ie:either any plugsound demo or full version] 4. Route your midi track accordingly to your soft synth so that when you play your keyboard/midi controller you could hear something. 5.Now STOP. Leave everything as is and do this. 6.Go to options/preferences/audio:select "windows classic wave drivers"-press ok. 7. Ofcourse you won't be able to do anything but now go back and revert it to the asio drivers. Do you still crash doing anything I said above? I don't. Weird. And I'm trying. I'm doing everything that I said before and I can't get it to. Just checked it again...I have IE open and I'm flipping back and forth between that and acid as I'm writing this. Let me know if this helps any. I'm fine so far on this end. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:12/22/2002 10:58:07 PM
Ok I was able to make it crash finally... After doing the steps in the prior post everything went well. BUT when I decided to use a different synth it crashed immediately. How I get it to crash: 1. Follow prior method and stop playing. 2. Click the "edit soft synth button on the top right of the soft synth properties view. 3. Choose a different plugsounds pluggin [again whether demo or full version] and press ok. 4.You should be able now to make it crash by means of priorly described methods[see above post]. How to fix it: Everytime you change a soft synth make sure you always follow steps 6 and 7 of my last post and it shouldn't crash. At least I've been able to get it to stop for sometime now. Will post again if anything comes up. Things are pretty cool on this end...Hows it going now? Ed. |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:12/23/2002 12:45:19 AM
SHT--Bzzt. Pompous, humorless prig alert! Take your Alpha male baboon act elsewhere, loser. In case you missed the news, this totally dysfunctional mess known as 4.0abcdefg has been put out of its misery and will re-emerge as a functional app later. If, like the Japanese soldiers fighting on in remote islands in the Pacific long after the war was over, you wish to continue to waste your time killing and eating dead bugs, be my guest. Futility does suit you so well. |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: MyST
Date:12/23/2002 7:07:28 AM
"I say I've never--ever--instigated any personal attacks or insults against anyone in this forum." Quote from Maruuk. nuff said. |
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Subject:RE: Verdict so far... not great, but...
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:12/23/2002 12:22:07 PM
Mr "Glass is half empty" has returned... You just have nothing else to say about this other than attacking me. As I've said earlier using 4.0b with my setup gives me the same benefits of 3.0g but with buss tracks,5.1,dx automation,etc...I do concurr that the asio still needs work but that in no way has stopped me from having fun/working. This problem while annoying at first has a easy workaround that makes it difficult but not impossible to crash acid...use autosave often[duh]. I still don't understand why you feel like you should take this acid 4.0 bug thing sooooo personal. If there is a problem in one app...use another to get the work done untill it gets fixed. Thats it. Thats the way its always unfortunately been with ALL A/V apps and I can't see this trend ever going away. Even with a buyout from someone else[opcode anyone?]. Thats why I have sonar to back me up. Did anybody see the bug fix list for 2.1? Did anybody ever go to cubase.net and read about the problems with SX? Pro apps my @$$! Where is your loophole here dude? Sad. Speak about something that you have a clue about dude. Not one post as of recent has helped anyone and I'm sure that this trend will extend indefinitely or untill we all decide to ignore you as a group...HMMMM. I hope that things are going better on your end clarksil. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: PLUGSOUND!!!!!!!!!
Reply by: clarksil
Date:12/23/2002 4:55:33 PM
I gots to tell ya', for 89 USD (Sweetwater) Plugsound is the product of the year!! Have you tried the keyboards collections yet!!?? Again the Hip Hop is phenomenomenal!!! Am working on Acid-Plug problems as time permits. |
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Subject:RE: PLUGSOUND!!!!!!!!!
Reply by: LarryAW
Date:12/25/2002 1:19:53 PM
To some degree you are right. PlugSound's Drums & Percs is Electronic Musician's 2003 Editor's Choice under Sample Player (Software) category. I haven't tried any of them yet, but I am certainly going to try the demos of all of them real soon if not today. With regard to crashing problems: It wasn't cheap, but now I have two P4's, one is a P4 1.9GHz, with 768MB ram and XP Pro, and the other is a P4 2.53GHz, with XP Home Edition and 1GB ram. I use Steinberg's V-Stack (which I really like) and Xlutop's Chainer in one computer and record into my mixer and other computer, then into Acid Pro 4.0b and other programs, avoiding the rewire/softsynth problems. My wife also has a P4 1.9GHz with 768MB ram, with XP Home Edition. XP Home edition and XP pro are about as stable as you can get (or have been for us), and you are going to find out that every other windows' OS is going to be phased out. Make the switch. It is absolutely necessary and you won't regret it. Best wishes to all and happy holidays. Larry |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: Jacose
Date:12/25/2002 2:37:25 PM
youshould really try to install all your VST plugs in one folder. to set this folder, there is a really cool tool by the old cracking group RADIUM (its one THEY made, not warez) that allows you to set your plugin path directory, and everytime you install a new VST it will by default choose your specified directory. |
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Subject:RE: PLUGSOUND!!!!!!!!!
Reply by: waynegee
Date:12/25/2002 2:46:38 PM
That is so interesting...I've got all of the Plugsound players and STYLUS(which uses the same UVI engine) and I haven't had one single crash using them!!...of course, Acid 4.0b crashes with no provocation, anyway but not 'cuz of the Plugsounds. I've read your threads but I can't find the single common denominator yet. I'm gonna try your crash-test specs and see if I can replicate them. I'll post later and let you know if I find anything. Great products, though! If you can afford, definitely check out STYLUS...it's the mamma of the Plugsounds!! PS: Maruuk and Shtunot...knock it off, guys!...ok, ok, you both got great big cocks, now quit it. If you can't agree, then agree to disagree and move on. While I don't always agree with Mr. Maruuk, he is right quite often, pretty funny and has a right to his opinion...so if we ain't groovin on him, just hit the 'Ignore' link and let's get on with it. But no personal attacks, anyone...Cool? |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: clarksil
Date:12/26/2002 7:29:32 AM
Any ideas where I can get this tool? AS i mentioned, if I ask Acid to scan my main VST plugins folder, it will to a point and then crash! This has happened with 4, 4a and 4b. I wish that SOFO would allow the user to choose the main plugin folder instead of setting up the program files/vstplgins first and then allowing the user to specify 2 other folders. Of course, I don't know if this would make any difference with the crashing when scanning the main folder that I use. My workaround is to use 2 folders for the present, and just place a copy of the VSTi's that I mainly use in the designated folder that Acid uses. Seems ridiculous that I have to set up 2 folders however! Maybe when I install my new mobo and OS (Win 2000 or XP, I haven't decided yet) this week, I'll set up just one folder for all VST plugs. Of course, that doesn't mean I won't still have the same problem. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: dkistner
Date:12/26/2002 7:51:00 AM
clarksil, I was able to change my default Acid VSTi folder to whatever I wanted it to be. I did this, as I recall, when I first installed Acid...so maybe that's why you can't change it? I use /programs/vstiplugins for all my programs, and it seems to work just fine. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4.0b crashing
Reply by: LarryAW
Date:12/26/2002 12:45:14 PM
I am fortunate enough to have two computers and to avoid these problems. However, as Jacose said, you should put your plug-ins in one folder. I would put the non-crashing plug-ins in one folder and make that your default Acid Pro 4 plug-in folder. It isn't worth the hassle to continue to try and get 'buggy' ones to work (well...I should say it wouldn't be for me). I still haven't tried the Plugsound plug-ins, but I have only read 'very' positive things about them -- never anything negative, which speaks volumes about the quality of these plug-ins. I am going to head over there right now and grab the demos. |