trying to lay a beat underneath -ACID Product Family

Subject:trying to lay a beat underneath Posted by: wilddj Date:12/2/2002 5:03:13 PM I've been using acid pro 4 and have been making some really good remixes now for the past couple months, but one thing that i was wanting to do is make my own beat, or take one of acids loops and lay underneath and song. I have a feeling that it's more using your ears than anything, but is there a certain part in the wave pattern that you have to line up??? Things like the beginning of a bass line, snare, things like that, how do you line them up?? I've been trying and trying, but sometimes it goes, like when it's just getting into the song when there isn't much activity in the wave pattern and you can clearly see the bass lines and snares, but after that it's a game of chance for me. If anyone has a method of doing this, please let me know what it is. Thanks, Wilddj
Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath Reply by: RasKeita Date:12/3/2002 12:26:01 AM If I could understand what you're trying to do it might be easier to assist. So I'll give this a try. You have a groove the snare hits on the two set your backing beat snare to match that hit. That doesn't necessarily mean hit at the same time but perhaps quarter beat off or what ever, or they could hit at the same time depending on what sound you're trying to get. Now your beats of course have to match, not be exactly the same beat mind you, just sound good together compliment each other. Now if you're saying there are times when the main groove drops out or you want the back beat to come forward you can use volume envelopes. You can also use the chopper to grab seguments of the backing beat, you can use the erase, pencil, or paint brush to put what ever you want where ever you want. Draw an entire loop highlight it and move it back a forth to exactly where you want it, then edit it with the tools copy it and paste it what ever. If you zoom in you can watch percisely ansd see exactly what's happening and move your loop accordingly. Like I said I'm not sure this is what you're asking. but I'll gladly try and help if you're a little mor specific...Level Vibes
Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath Reply by: wilddj Date:12/3/2002 8:49:26 AM basically i'm trying to do a remix of a song where it has a 32 or 2-32 beat intro and then i'm wanting to take that loop that i used for the intro and put it underneath the song so that i can have a beat mixable version of that song, thanks for your help again, any other is welcome
Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath Reply by: TeeCee Date:12/9/2002 7:11:41 AM If your parts are straight (i.e. good to use in Acid with good loop lengths, no clicks, no problems), you won't have to worry about lining the parts up. The only issue will be your own song assembly and creativity. If all of your parts are loops, and you are working by snapping loops to beats, your stuff will line up. As long as you are working with beat mapped parts or long one shots, you are playing a game of chance. Nothing stays in time for that long. Think about when you beat match. If you've got two tracks that you can keep synced for over a minute, and it sounds right on, and then there's a break and when it comes out of a break, they aren't on anymore. Chances are you never had it perfect (pretty much impossible with out brushing the platter or adjusting the pitch sooner or later) and it's also possible that one or both of teh tracks are drifting a little due to something done in the manufacturing process. If you can't do it on the wheels of steel, why should Acid be so perfect? Chop your songs into loops, and work it. And be sure to put me in th ecredits of your first record ;). TeeCee

Subject:trying to lay a beat underneath

Posted by: wilddj

Date:12/2/2002 5:03:13 PM

I've been using acid pro 4 and have been making some really good remixes now for the past couple months, but one thing that i was wanting to do is make my own beat, or take one of acids loops and lay underneath and song. I have a feeling that it's more using your ears than anything, but is there a certain part in the wave pattern that you have to line up??? Things like the beginning of a bass line, snare, things like that, how do you line them up?? I've been trying and trying, but sometimes it goes, like when it's just getting into the song when there isn't much activity in the wave pattern and you can clearly see the bass lines and snares, but after that it's a game of chance for me. If anyone has a method of doing this, please let me know what it is.

Thanks,
Wilddj

Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath

Reply by: RasKeita

Date:12/3/2002 12:26:01 AM

If I could understand what you're trying to do it might be easier to assist. So I'll give this a try. You have a groove the snare hits on the two set your backing beat snare to match that hit. That doesn't necessarily mean hit at the same time but perhaps quarter beat off or what ever, or they could hit at the same time depending on what sound you're trying to get. Now your beats of course have to match, not be exactly the same beat mind you, just sound good together compliment each other. Now if you're saying there are times when the main groove drops out or you want the back beat to come forward you can use volume envelopes. You can also use the chopper to grab seguments of the backing beat, you can use the erase, pencil, or paint brush to put what ever you want where ever you want. Draw an entire loop highlight it and move it back a forth to exactly where you want it, then edit it with the tools copy it and paste it what ever. If you zoom in you can watch percisely ansd see exactly what's happening and move your loop accordingly. Like I said I'm
not sure this is what you're asking. but I'll gladly try and help if you're a little mor specific...Level Vibes

Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath

Reply by: wilddj

Date:12/3/2002 8:49:26 AM

basically i'm trying to do a remix of a song where it has a 32 or 2-32 beat intro and then i'm wanting to take that loop that i used for the intro and put it underneath the song so that i can have a beat mixable version of that song, thanks for your help again, any other is welcome

Subject:RE: trying to lay a beat underneath

Reply by: TeeCee

Date:12/9/2002 7:11:41 AM

If your parts are straight (i.e. good to use in Acid with good loop lengths, no clicks, no problems), you won't have to worry about lining the parts up. The only issue will be your own song assembly and creativity. If all of your parts are loops, and you are working by snapping loops to beats, your stuff will line up. As long as you are working with beat mapped parts or long one shots, you are playing a game of chance. Nothing stays in time for that long.

Think about when you beat match. If you've got two tracks that you can keep synced for over a minute, and it sounds right on, and then there's a break and when it comes out of a break, they aren't on anymore. Chances are you never had it perfect (pretty much impossible with out brushing the platter or adjusting the pitch sooner or later) and it's also possible that one or both of teh tracks are drifting a little due to something done in the manufacturing process.

If you can't do it on the wheels of steel, why should Acid be so perfect? Chop your songs into loops, and work it. And be sure to put me in th ecredits of your first record ;).

TeeCee