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Subject:Question for Loop Subscribers
Posted by: Jessariah
Date:11/23/2002 4:01:43 PM
Anyone gotten Bug Report yet? It's the 23rd and no sign of it. Just didn't know if it was late shipping or if I just didn't get mine. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:11/23/2002 4:24:04 PM
Nope not yet... although it's usually taken about a week for the loops to show up on my doorstep (and I'm only out in Ohio). I'm hoping it will end up here on Monday or so. And I WISH they'd bring back that $230 price they had going on for a little while! I've got to renew by March... :( David. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: salad
Date:11/23/2002 4:54:16 PM
"I WISH they'd bring back that $230 price they had going on for a little while!" YEAH!!! I'd be up for that! How bout $199? Hoooduyahalftono2gitdat? I see there's a 2 CD 24bit "song writers" guitar collection in the works. Cool! |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: analoguekid
Date:11/23/2002 6:43:38 PM
Mine showed up today and my first impression was "Numina Leftovers..." I'm all for sonic textures, but I'd love to get something that could be a foundation for grooves and tunes rather than that occasional sqwak or echoing sweep sound...correct me if you disagree... I did buy the Retro Active library from hark productions and I've gotten more out of that lately than anything else... |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: clarksil
Date:11/24/2002 6:20:25 AM
I have to agree. I have been a loop subscriber for 2 years now, and it seems like the subscription service is now giving crap loop libraries instead of the good ones that show up on the sofo web site. I mean come on, numina, ugly remnants, stylus pressure.... Paaalease!!!!! |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:11/24/2002 2:25:07 PM
Hmmmm... I thought there was some pretty good stuff on Numina. I mean, yeah, it's a grab bag-- the stuff that was good was REALLY good, the stuff that was bad was REALLY bad. And I have to say-- Stylus Pressure was pretty kick-ass, in my opinion. A little on the strange side, sure, but I've really been having a great time with it. As for Ugly Remnants... yeah, I was pretty dissapointed with that one. But I guess that I see the subscription series a little differently than you do. I LIKE the fact that it gives me loops to play with in genres that I otherwise wouldn't explore. Sure, it's hit and miss sometimes (I STILL cringe over getting Headstrong Grooves), but that's part of the fun of it. David. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:11/24/2002 4:33:54 PM
I agree. I wouldn't normally buy some of the libraries that have been chosen for the subscribers. But it's actually made me go and buy others that I wouldn't have otherwise, because I was impressed with the quality. I'm looking forward to the guitar library, too. The one thing that I've always missed was a lack of "completeness" in any one category in a library. You might have 60 bass riffs, 20 guitar patterns -- but the limited keys and tempos don't always give you the flexibility that you want. As for RETRO ACTIVE, I have to admit that I like using it, too...of course, I produced it, so I'm probably a bit biased :) |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: analoguekid
Date:11/24/2002 5:06:50 PM
Don't mis-understand, I too agree that there's some great stuff on Numina, etc...It just seems like there's been a lot of sameness in the offerings over the last 6 months... change the folders around on the libraries and you wouldn't be able to tell a lot of it apart. Want to really break new ground? throw out a library of a modal guitar player like Holdsworth and watch people scratch their heads trying to fit that into an electronica tune... If'n you're doing it post me a link because I'd love to hear it! |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:11/24/2002 11:19:31 PM
Of course, that's the beauty of Acid, isn't it? You can throw a modal guitar loop (if you can find one) into an electronica piece... I see "loops" heading in two directions. One: Thematic construction kits. Two: Specialized libraries. For those who snag a library or two every now and then, they want "one-stop shopping" -- a little bit of everything on one CD. For those of us who are serious, and, whether it be professional or personal, own 50, 60 or 70+ SoFo libraries, we're more interested in specialized collections. Mick Fleetwood Total Drumming is a great example of a specialized library -- numbered grooves & fills which can be interchanged without any major tweaking. Often, I've gone to the Fleetwood library simply because it is laid out so well. My personal two cents: it's better to cover a small spectrum thoroughly, than to "touch" upon many avenues like a skipping stone. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: salad
Date:11/25/2002 8:35:31 AM
Good point! The first thing that I found ever so slightly annoying about some of the libraries was that they ALL had.....drums..and maybe even some bass. The included drums and bass are good, but once you own.....more than a few libraries, it becomes confusing on where to go first for some drums. So, this is where I might have to make the decision on whether or not to compile all the drums/bass from the different libraries into a separate directory/folder. I don't know if I really want to spend the time on doing that, plus I would like to keep the libraries' directories intact. So, I too run to the Fleetwood library cuz...that's where the drums are....it's fast and easy since that's pretty much all there is there. I'm going to assume that this new 24 bit 'Guitar collection' won't have any drums or bass...?? There's just not enough room - even on 2 CD's - to be wasted on anything but the "main (specialized) content". That would make for a better value IMHO, and simplify your onboard loop collection & searching. Oh, and as "often" as they release libraries, maybe it would be cool for you loop subscribers to be able to recieve an email about having a choice between....at least 2 libraries...for your monthly doorstep delivery. Just an idea.....seeing that loop production seems to be on the rise lately! |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:11/25/2002 2:56:57 PM
I don't think they'll ever give you the choice. Quite honestly, we're not paying enough ($20 per, including shipping, if you snag that $239 special) to be given the choice -- and that's a helluva lot more overhead. You make a good point, though, about organization. That's the hardest thing -- do you keep the libraries intheir original state, or do you break them up into instrument directories? I don't think I'll ever do that, cuz I like to know where particular sounds came from. And if you ever do 8 Packs for Acid Planet, you'd have to know where they come from then as well. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: salad
Date:11/25/2002 4:22:13 PM
Yeah, I like the way the CD's are organized, so I just copy the whole folder to the HD and give it a name and number. Don't want to break stuff up, as I too like knowing where they're from. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: JeffV
Date:11/25/2002 4:52:10 PM
Funny I see some other people have the same comment I have about the quality of the loop library discs being lame. I have been a subscriber of this since it started and the last 4 months I have really been let down on what I got. I renew about June of next year and the next 3-4 libraries will make that choice for me on if I continue or not. I am all for new sounds and strange libraries that I would not purchase but my collection of weird noises is now complete. I have way too many libraries of weird noises. I would really like more instruments -- Guitar, Bass, Drums, Horns, keyboards, ect... |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:11/25/2002 6:22:46 PM
They're coming. Mike Scheibinger announced a guitar library they're working on (chords for construction, hopefully, as the problem with the Jade Hill Rock Pop library was that the song is kinda already put together). More drums organized like Fleetwood would be a big plus. As for bass, Taster & Working Man are great -- Working Man's Bass has a great collection of one shots for construction. Acoustic guitar that involves just different strumming patterns and fingerings in a number of chords would be killer. Electric riffs and holds would be good, too. I'm currently working on a vocal library. No words. Just basic oohs, ahhs, etc. in different notes/lengths. Not "super-pretty" either -- a real throaty, gravelly collection. I know it sounds stupid, but I'd like to see more "generic" sounding libraries, so you can construct the meat 'n potatoes and add your own touches over the top. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:11/25/2002 8:01:40 PM
It's a shame that people think that the loops are 'lame'... I got Bug Report today (finally!), and yes, it certainly veers into Numina territory. But again, on the whole, I've been really, really knocked out with most of the ones that I've gotten. There were only two that I haven't cared for this year (Headstrong Grooves & Machine Language), a few nice surprises (Numina & EAB), and a few that I wouldn't have bought but am VERY happy to own. I've found my collection of SoFo loops to allow me to work in genres & styles that I typically wouldn't have thought of, or would have access two. I, for one, am happy to let SoFo pick the libraries. Had the choices been up to me, I'd probably just end up picking up disks that stay within a genre or two, and have limited myself without intending to... David. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: JeffV
Date:11/26/2002 9:46:42 AM
Its not that it is really a "Lame" library its just the same category as a couple of the past libraries given to the loop subscribers. I am hoping for more diversity. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: salad
Date:11/26/2002 3:53:17 PM
I purchased many of "the last several" libraries....under the assumption that they were "Multi Genre". Well, I must say that I have to agree. Not everything works everywhere right out of the box, so you'll definitely have to slice/dice, but I really like what I've bought so far! So JeffV, you need more of.....as mentioned above..."more meat n potatoes stuff"??? ("Had the choices been up to me, I'd probably just end up picking up disks that stay within a genre or two, and have limited myself without intending to...") Another good point David! Sometimes the included sample loops on these libraries(or DL'd) can be decieving, and it makes it hard to decide to take the plunge, so maybe this would be good for me too......let them pick 'em! EAB. Good Stuff? Jessariah, I'm interested in this Vocal Work library you describe. Is this going to be...."for sale", or is it just a private collection? thanks guys! |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:11/26/2002 4:34:24 PM
EAB. Good Stuff? Oddly enough-- yes. I wasn't particularly looking forward to it, however, I was really knocked out by it when it arrived. I haven't found a percussion library yet that was as odd as this one... it's a shame that Bunker 8 is putting out a library next month that (as memory serves-- I think the description is in this week's 8 pack) focuses more on Pop. But I'll wait and see. Jessariah, I'm interested in this Vocal Work library you describe. Is this going to be...."for sale", or is it just a private collection? Indeed, let us know! I, for one, am ALWAYS looking for new loops from parties other than SoFo... David. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:11/26/2002 4:42:17 PM
David, The vocal library will be "for sale" -- don't know if it will be available on my web site, like Retro Active is, or elsewhere. I'll put up some samples at some point and let you all know. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: wolverine3410b
Date:12/2/2002 9:35:49 PM
who do i contact to get permission to use these loops in a commercial setting ie. my forthcoming album? scheduled for early next year ... |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:12/3/2002 2:20:31 AM
http://sonicfoundry.com/loop_libraries/eula.asp I don't think that you're required to secure permission for commercial uses, are you? I mean, please SoFo, correct me if I'm wrong... David. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:12/3/2002 6:48:49 PM
My understanding as well. As soon as you incorporate a loop into a composition, the composition is yours to sell if you want. The only thing you CAN'T do is sell individual loops in their original form. |
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Subject:RE: Question for Loop Subscribers
Reply by: SonicJG
Date:12/4/2002 1:06:24 PM
True. Our loop libraries are 100% royalty-free, which means you can use them in any compositions you choose and do whatever you want with them, as long as you don't sell the loops, either in library form, or individually. Happy Mixing, Joel |