Subject:does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Posted by: groovewerx

Date:11/25/2002 7:26:39 AM

with other programs i can use the knobs on my triton to control eq, volume, and fx parameters. does a4 have that ability?

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/25/2002 9:15:42 AM

You can control any MIDI-related parameters for a track via a MIDI controller. You just have to route everything appropriately (including selecting a device for MIDI input under Options>Preferences on the menu bar). Note this is for MIDI-related material only. You cannot control changes on a digital audio track via a MIDI controller.

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: groovewerx

Date:11/25/2002 9:26:06 AM

"You cannot control changes on a digital audio track via a MIDI controller."

what about eq? i can adjust and record digital audio track eq in cubase with triton knobs.

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: salad

Date:11/25/2002 9:44:40 AM

"You cannot control changes on a digital audio track via a MIDI controller"

That would be pretty cool if that was possible.
Select an audio track, chose a parameter that you would normally have to change with the mouse and "setting points"(fx automation/volume envelope etc.), hit record and use a....data slider to transmit realtime cntrl/recording of the points on an envelope.
This would allow you to...close your eyes/listen/make changes to a flanger fx....

So, this isn't possible right? I didn't think so....

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/25/2002 9:59:44 AM

That's true, but envelopes on digital audio in ACID have been that way ever since ACID Pro's incarnation, i.e., no MIDI input and must be adjusted, added, etc. manually.

What is it that you want to do with the Triton? Are you trying to record digital audio in ACID with it?

Iacobus

Subject:get fruityloops!!!

Reply by: Jacose

Date:11/25/2002 10:17:18 AM

with fruityloops you can control ANY..I mean ANY control parameter via MIDI knobs.

Its alot easier than cubase too, all you have to do is have your MIDI device connected, enabled in the settings menu (every program requires this...lol)

then,

all you do is find a parameter you want to control, right click on it or select it from a menu (with vstis you must to the latter) and hit : link to controller. then, just move the REAL knob (on your triton) and walllla! done.

it is amazingly easy and great to test stuff out with. you can also link more than one knob together(which is just as easy), or create formula reactions between them,
i.e - turning knob one makes knob 2 turn 1.5 times as fast, and so on, but thats more complicated... although Im sure its easier than programming the same thing in Cubase SX.... lol

I use Acid as a loop arraanger and Multitrack recording (which it is VERY capable with except for program limitations on number of files per track)
Fruity makes all my beats, synth lines, and backgrounds. It works at 32bitfloar and can render 32bbit for great quality...actually, fruity beat reason and other audio programs in accuracy of rendering.

Fruity can also be DIRECTLY sinced to Acid thru Vsti technology and can render along with acid.... basically, its a standalone, AND a Vsti.

The best part is,

fruity is 100 bucks downloaded!!!! And if you get it now, youll never have to pay for an update again!!!!!! theres free updates for life, and theres MAJOR updates coming soon... my advice would be to get it now, it sounds like what you need.
http://www.e-officedirect.com/Fruityloops/documents/144.html


lool

this is so funny, I sound like a salesman...

I just love fruity thats all...

Subject:RE: get fruityloops!!!

Reply by: groovewerx

Date:11/25/2002 3:10:36 PM

no its not about recording audio. its about using midi to effect audio that has been recorded.

from the response i will assume this is yet another reason why i won't be purchasing a4.

doing it in fruity is fine if short takes is all i want but i like to twist the knobs all the way through a song. so i'll continue to export audio into cubase and tweaking it there as well.

Subject:RE: get fruityloops!!!

Reply by: PHATDRUMS

Date:11/25/2002 5:59:40 PM

you cannot do any thing what is asked for in the original thread due to one thing and that is very poor design an sheer contempt on the part of superior beings (you peter sf know who you are ) Who thought that you as acid users would settle for half implementation of everything that other apps take for granted because this app loops great ! well ill tell you poor design is poor design peter and bad code is bad and you can remove my posts all you like but when people are saying fruity loops is for $99 dollars a better bet than acid you must know thAT YOUR CODE IS CRAP
FRUITY LOOPS WHERE I WORK IS A TOY AND YET IT HAS MORE CAPABILITES THAN ACID BETTER DESIGN AND BETTER FUNCTIONS
I envy people with logic who can use logic control
i envy people who can use cubase who can use use the mackie controller
i envy sonar users who can use the mackie controller
i envy cool edit pro who can use the mackie controller
i even envy digital performer users who can use the mackie contoller
i envy virtually every other major app available that can be controlled by other means than a mouse but do you see pattern here ?
not one of any of anything that sf make is included and much as you may not like it
is because sf cant keep up and thats why you find sofo products in best buy next to the toys and games because thats what they are until they join the pro circuit
and poorley designed ones at that
you cannot live on loops alone nor a mediocre audio/ video app that is vegas its f----ing prehistoric compared to pro tools
and so is our contempt for your customers
get a grip!

Subject:RE: get fruityloops!!!

Reply by: ibliss

Date:11/25/2002 9:14:58 PM

The thing I love about Phat is his display of a real Pro attitude. Clearly Phat is in a good position to tell us what is and is not 'professional'.

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:11/25/2002 11:37:41 PM

If the DX plugin supports MIDI control, then yes (OhmBoyz plugins are good examples). Most do not, however. On the other hand, the majority of VSTi's do support MIDI automation of FX parameters. Additionally, most VST FX plugs support MIDI automation using NPRN's. A VST wrapper such as FXpansion's does this quite well. So it's not such a dismal situation as it first looks.

- Nick

Subject:RE: get fruityloops!!!

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:11/25/2002 11:40:33 PM

Phatdrums,

If you like other software packages, then use them. This forum is a place to share advice on how to use SoFo products, not for you to sound off your negativity time after time. You get a grip.

- Nick

Subject:RE: does acid 4 allow envelope control via midi ?

Reply by: groovewerx

Date:11/26/2002 11:03:40 AM

nlamartina:

if vsti was the source of my audio then youre right, its not so bad.

i'm one of those musicians that still records using real instruments. i'll just stick with music3 for gathering, looping, and chopping those sounds into .wavs i can tweak in cubase.

Subject:yo groovewerz

Reply by: Jacose

Date:11/27/2002 1:45:23 AM

doing it in fruity is fine if short takes is all i want but i like to twist the knobs all the way through a song. so i'll continue to export audio into cubase and tweaking it there as well.


just so you know, you CAN tweak any parameter thru the whole length of a song in fruity, not just the individual loops. that would be very gay.

Subject:RE: yo groovewerz

Reply by: groovewerx

Date:11/27/2002 11:04:20 AM

jacose

how do you make a 200 measure pattern in fruity?

Subject:RE: yo groovewerz

Reply by: oddboy

Date:11/27/2002 5:15:21 PM

what is NPRN's

Subject:actually, quite easily!!!

Reply by: Jacose

Date:11/27/2002 6:50:50 PM

it is quite eassy.

1. open piano roll

2. enter midi information for however long you need it.

(this could be manually or thru MIDI keyboard.)

it works, if you want to hear an example, this song I used fruity for the ENTIRE background. youll notive a piano solo in the middle. that was about 32 measures. ALL done in fruity, ONE PATTERN

http://www.sectionz.net/detail.asp?rtype=mp3&szid=3722 (its more towards the end of the song)

people dont realize what you can acheive with the fruit!!!