I have nothing to prove to you, I could care less what you think. I help other users, you don't. The facts are there as seen by support from other REAL users that I have helped. I don't get paid, for helping other users, I do it because I've spent alot of time learning and feel that other users can benefit from my experience. If you're not one of those people, then really...how does that affect me? It doesn't, but obviously I'm affecting you, too bad. The day you start paying me for my advice, then you can start telling me how I present it to people. I don't attack users until they attack me....you went out of your way to attack me, and now you're getting bitch slapped and crying for help and struggling to cut me down....ewwww "rednroll uses Gina cards"....yeah, so do many other pro users. Why don't you attack everyone that owns a Gina card and tell them they're not a pro user either, I know there are a few on this forum including a Vegas developer asking for advice about these cards. I even present you with the specs of both of these cards, you probably can't understand what they mean can you? Why don't you offer 1 bit of information if you're such a "Pro"? As I've said, you only exist in these forums to attack me, you're helping NO ONE, but getting everyone upset because they have to weed through your garbage posts.

Have a nice day Joe

Hello Rednroll,

I'm using a RME Digiface plus an RME ADI8DS and I'm very happy (Superb drivers and technical support).

Noise level -111.6 dB
TDH 0.0007
IMD 0.0044
Dynamic range 108.2 dB
Crosstalk -106.3 dB

I make these test with RightMark Audio Analyzer

Cheers

<<This one's for you Audioman/Angelica/JoeD>>

???

Uh, no moron. Just JoeD here.

You are REACHING now. It's kinda sad.

JoeD

ramallo, using an independent test is the way to go. No one with real experience in any field (Music, Video, computers....) relies on Mfg specs, nor are they stupid enough to quote them when comparing different equipment. They are at best advertiseing hype.

Really?? Can you give any information backing your theory on this one? Do you work for a hardware manufacturer or their marketing department to verify this? I work for a hardware design company and I can say from our company, that the specs given on a product are NEVER hyped by marketing, and it is our company policy to never publish any spec which is not true, and it is also company policy to NEVER hype a spec. Our specs are generated from our engineering department and are not altered by marketing. I can't say that for sure with a comparison between RME and ECHO, because I don't work for these companies and neither do you. I do have all the equipment available to me to do my own analysis of these products and could do an A/B comparison between these 2 cards using an analyzer system made by "Audio Precision". If you want to send me an RME card, then I will gladly do this so they can be tested on the same test setup. Everyone doesn't have access to this kind of equipment and must lend some trust to the manufacturer's specs. As I said previously, I don't have a problem with RME cards, I think they are a good cards, just as I also think the Echo cards are good. The ONLY information therefore available is the MANUFACTURERS specifications. I didn't purchase a Gina card by looking at the specs. I purchased them because they fit the needs of my system I set up, and they also happen to sound pretty damn clean. Where's Ramallo's data for the Gina card so we have an A/B comparison? Right now we only have sample A.

I think that most manufacturer specs are not real world specs. There is an element of truth in them, but not everyone has access to the lab in which those specs were determined. It's true that under the right conditions you can attain the manufacturer's specifications for any product, but not every product is right for every situation. So it's always best to go with what you need for your particular setup rather than what you've been told is good.

>> didn't purchase a Gina card by looking at the specs. I purchased them because they fit the needs of my system I set up, and they also happen to sound pretty damn clean.<<
Rednroll....
I didn't know I was talking about you when I posted my comment.
I was talking about music professionals in general, and yes I do know accomplished award winning musicians who roll there eyes when someone starts quoting mfg specs. This doesn't mean the specs are wrong, it means the person comes off sounding like an amateur. True or not, very few people go on mfg specs, even if they are true. You said yourself, you didn't buy on spec you bought because the card met your needs and you liked the sound. Thats the only argument that counts. Ever.
Why waste time quoting specs to someone who will never want to agree with you. If some dweeb is attacking your choice, don't waste time quoting specs. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing, it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

I can give you case in point about specs not being enough.

Terratec has great specs on their EWS88 cards.
Midiman cards have great specs.
What neither spec tells you is the actual sound quality and personality of the card.
The Terratecs' tend to soften, even make the sound seem warmer when recording.
The midiman by design trys to be completely neutral and have zero effect on the incoming sound.
The problem? Most people don't know that unless someone actually tests the cards out in a realworld situation. Something the mfg specs never mention.
Neither mfg was being dishonest.

BTW, I'm not picking a side in this card issue. I have a Waveterminal 192M I am very happy with.

Hello Rednroll,

> Where's Ramallo's data for the Gina card so we have an A/B comparison? Right now >we only have sample A.

I don't have a Gina for make the test, but I post my RME tests and wrote the analyzer brand (Is free), anybody with a Gina will be donwload the RightMark Audio Analyzer, make the tests, and post the data.

Will be not acurate as a Audioprecision, but is enougth for evaluate.

Cheers