Subject:No XP virtual midi router?

Posted by: oddboy

Date:10/22/2002 11:47:40 PM

No XP virtual midi router?

How are you link up you apps then

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:10/23/2002 12:20:01 AM

Did you try the Win2K driver? It ought to work... maybe.

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: oddboy

Date:10/23/2002 2:12:17 AM

Wow sound risky I cant afford a maybe right now.
Any other way?

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:10/23/2002 7:44:39 AM

The WinNT version of the VMR is compatible with Win2000/WinXP and works correctly.

Peter

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: MoreK

Date:10/23/2002 9:13:19 AM

Works fine here with XP!

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: oddboy

Date:10/23/2002 3:40:50 PM

Could you please tell which apps you are using it with

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DCools

Date:10/23/2002 4:22:32 PM

> The WinNT version of the VMR is compatible
> with Win2000/WinXP and works correctly

It works correctly except if you use Logic Audio Platinum 5.x, Logic Audio will not shutdown anymore. :(

Regards,
Diederick.

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: MoreK

Date:10/24/2002 10:23:24 AM

I'm using Sonar+Sound Forge and Sonar+Acid 4.0. Composed already whole film soundtrack with that setup! Viva virtual midi router!

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: Solafide

Date:10/24/2002 11:41:02 AM

I read this thread, downloaded vmr and suddenly ntrack wouldn't shut down (would stop responding every timeon shut down). I would have to agree with Diederick, there must be some issues with xp.

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: oddboy

Date:10/25/2002 8:30:31 PM

I supose it would be even better if Acid didnt crash every time I try to sync.
Not working here.

Even when trying to sync two instances of Acid (as the learn acid in 24 hours sugests) CRASH!!!!!!

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:11/7/2002 8:03:30 AM

Attn SonicPCH:

http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/share.htm

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/7/2002 8:24:24 AM

This is pretty basic stuff outlined in this article. What is your point?

Peter

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:11/7/2002 10:42:34 AM

I really didn't mean to insult you or waste your time. Since Windows does not have a proper MIDI Mapper, shouldn't someone write one? It should be MS, but they're obviously not very concerned with media authoring. Ultimately it should be as clear as having all your ins and outs graphically displayed as some kind of patch bay, and virtually patch what you need. Many of us are unfortunately still musicans/engineers and not software engineers.

I would pay for this functionality.

The ultimate point is that the x86 VMR is simply not working under XP, for me. It works for some, and not for others and it seems to be a big mystery why this is so. I've tried on 2 boxes and no-go. But the problem isn't only yours: MidiYoke, MidiReplicator/MIDIviaNET, and Nyntonix's MIDIMatrix (nice display) ALL have problem installations under XP. And ALL these authors seem to be stumped on this issue!

In some cases, a re-install of XP leads to a successful installation, but not always. In my case, after installation, the VMR appears as "hardware" in Device Manager, but with "No drivers are installed for this device". I tried running the install again, this time telling XP that the hardware was already installed but that results in the message "The device is working properly"(!).

Looking in "Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices Properties > Hardware > Sonic Foundry Virtual MIDI Router (x86) > Properties" says no drivers are installed. Deeper in this section's Properties, you get "Status: Driver is enabled but not functioning properly". One of two Radio buttons is selected (the top one) but where there should be descriptions, it's just blank.

It's just plain weird that such an easy protocol to handle should be so mis-managed by XP as to cause this. SP1 apparently doesn't change anything. Is it a disabled service? It's a mystery. Most people have now resorted to using multi-port interfaces and looping-back MIDI physically! I believe this is well within the capabilities of XP (and cheaper too).

Any help would be welcome. Thanks!

DSG

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: Dewaine

Date:11/7/2002 1:35:08 PM

First I heard there was an issue. I have XP and use Sonar and Midiyoke all the time and have never had an issue. But when I try most anything in 4.0am other than loops there are issues (errors). Maybe maybe the problem is Acid?

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:11/7/2002 3:30:07 PM

"First I heard there was an issue."

Here it is:

http://www.midiox.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=MYInstall;action=display;num=1032034495

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/8/2002 12:45:02 AM

You didn't insult me and aren't wasting my time. I just didn't know what you wanted.

The VMR should not be causing any problems. It must be installed as a legacy driver, but that is about the only issue you should have to overcome.

The "No drivers are installed for this device." state is normal for the VMR - actually many NT based driver will report this. From the Properties page, expand the MIDI Devices and Instruments node and select "Sonic Foundry Virtual MIDI Router (x86)" then click Properites. You should see the standard device properties page. Is the Settings button enabled? If so, click on it. This will bring up the configuration dialog for the VMR.

If none of this works, in Computer Management, right click on the Device Manager node and select View->Show Hidden Devides. Locate the Non-Plug and Play Drivers node in the right pane. Expand it, and locate the sfvmr node. Right click on it and select Properties from the menu. Select the Driver tab and look at the current status. It should be running. If not, click the start button. Also, the startup type should be set to System.

The last thing you can try is regedit.

Run regedit and locat the following key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sfvmr

What is the value for the entry "Type".

Locate the \Parameters\Device0 folder.

What is the value for Ports?
What is the value for Configuration Error?
Is there an additional folder called Devices? If so, what are its contents?


Let me know how this goes.

Peter

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:11/8/2002 9:35:23 AM

OK:

"It must be installed as a legacy driver"

I followed the instructions for Win2k as logically as possible with XP. By all surface appearances VMR was installed: it appears in "Sound, Video and Game Controllers", though with the "No drivers are installed for this device" message. Oddly when you do access the driver information, it lists "sfvmr.sys" and "sfvmr.dll" as version 4 build 2 1997 drivers.

"From the Properties page, expand the MIDI Devices and Instruments node and select "Sonic Foundry Virtual MIDI Router (x86)" then click Properites. You should see the standard device properties page. Is the Settings button enabled? If so, click on it. This will bring up the configuration dialog for the VMR."

On this page, the "Settings" button is enabled but clicking on it does nothing. As I mentioned before, there are also 2 radio buttons on this page with no description next to them, just empty grey (on other devices these select enabled/disabled states.

"...Computer Management, right click on the Device Manager node and select View->Show Hidden Devides. Locate the Non-Plug and Play Drivers node in the right pane. Expand it, and locate the sfvmr node."

There is no "sfvmr" node in this listing, therefore no options.

"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sfvmr"

While this entry is in the registry tree, it only has one folder called "Parameters" and there are NO other entries in either "sfvmr" (other than "Parameters" folder) or it's "Parameters" folder. A search of the entire registry found a few other entries for "sfvmr", none of which have the information you're asking me to look for.

Really appreciating all the help.

DSG

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/8/2002 3:16:25 PM

Sounds like something is preventing from being installed, though I can't imagine what.

If you are real brave, email me directly and I will send you a reg file that may get this up and running.

Peter

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:11/8/2002 4:25:58 PM

I'm almost between projects and feeling very brave...

I've emailed you via customerservice@sonicfoundry.com and asked them to forward the message to you as I don't have your email.

Thanks.

DSG

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/9/2002 7:53:35 PM

peterh@sonicfoundry.com will do it...

Peter

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router? SOLVED

Reply by: DaSoundGuy

Date:12/4/2002 10:58:12 PM

RME has posted a page that explains why MIDI devices sometimes fail to run, even though installed in Windows NT/2000/XP.

After deleting redundant entries in the registry, installing VMR was successful and it now works fine in XP. Other software, like MIDIoverLAN that I was trying to install now works as well because of the same fix. It's here:

http://www.rme-audio.de/english/faq/10entrye.htm

Finally!

DSG

Subject:RE: No XP virtual midi router? SOLVED

Reply by: dkistner

Date:12/5/2002 1:10:38 PM

DSG, I'm not a costumer--:)--but I found this info very helpful. Thanks for posting.