please bring back the volume envelope nodes!

eduardo wrote on 10/17/2002, 1:27 PM
well, in addition to really missing the CDA4 possibilities for tweaking fades, I find that the single flat line volume envelope is just not good enough. One of the incredibly useful features of CDA4 was the ability to create any level changes needed. The nodes interface was very intuitive and easy to work with. The only thing I would change from the old model would be to have values higher than +6dB available - there's been a number of times when I needed a little more than that.

Preparing the track in another app with level automation is not the right answer because it doesnt't let you audition the level changes/fades in context of the whole project.

While perhaps not an essential feature for a typical music CD, this now missing feature is invaluable for "mixed" CDs, and also for special applications such as theather, where it can be very convenient to have the fader moves built-in to the program rather than depend on the operator. I know that you can prepare the tracks in another app, but I think that doing it right within CDA is by far the best and more convenient way of doing it.

Maybe I'm weird but I hate the idea of building a second version of your material to drop in the project - I find it a lot more elegant to work with the original files and then build your project in a non-destructive fashion. I don't need several copies of the same track (with different level/fade treatments) littering my hard drive... why not just save that info in the .cdp file like we always have?

I think I'm not alone on this issue. Pease reconsider.

eduardo

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 10/17/2002, 4:05 PM
Can't you accomplish this by placing nodes on the volume envelope line and increasing/decreasing the envelope where necessary?
sreams wrote on 10/17/2002, 9:39 PM
There is a global volume envelope (with nodes) in CDA5. You need to hit "V" to show it. It can't be used to manipulate crossfades, but it can do anything with overall volume.

-S
sbpstudios wrote on 10/17/2002, 11:51 PM
Yes, you 'can' manipulate individual track volume by adding extra points on the (single) volume envelope, but version 4.0 did that automatically. I thought one aspect of creating a new version of software(ex:Architect 4.0 to 5.0) was to save more time on projects, not to make more work for the end user! My decision on a $99[or so] upgrade will depend on what needed changes are implemented from the current beta version to the final release.

sbpstudios
Currysteph wrote on 10/19/2002, 6:18 PM
Well I for one find the single volume indicator VERY cumbersom and ALOT more work over the individual volume envelope nodes. I want to be in CONTROL of when volume goes up or down especially during crossfades....

I do appreciate the meter indicators in 5.0...as far as I was concerned they simply could have added that feature to 4.0 and I would have been completely happy.

So you're not alone on this eduardo
eduardo wrote on 10/24/2002, 11:45 AM
currysteph,

you can have meters in CDA 4, just resize the CDA main window enough to show the meters on Sound Forge 4.5 - usually docked on the right side of the screen. these metrers are active whenever you playback in CDA 4. Absolutely necessary if xfading hot tracks, it's easy to clip otherwise.

gotta check the nodes mode in CDA5, wish I had more time to play with it!