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Subject:Piano roll WRONG
Posted by: justifiedalive
Date:10/7/2002 1:17:07 PM
The labels on the keys (c0 c1 c2) are the wrong octaves. I tripped onto this when I loaded a kit in battery and noticed that the cells did not match up with where the piano roll was saying the notes are. They are all labeled in the wrong octave. Try it, you'll see...I think c0 is actually c3 and so on. Prove me wrong please or suggest an OPT piano roll that works. Not to mention that MEMORY LEAK again! |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: substance
Date:10/7/2002 2:14:52 PM
haha.. your right... i put a kick on battery c1, and acid plays it on c3.... oh well... haha |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/7/2002 2:16:10 PM
Dig that. I'll be calling SF after work. Anyone else see this with other VSTi? |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: substance
Date:10/7/2002 2:20:44 PM
the timin is a bit mashed tho.. i got a kick snare kick kick snare thing goin, but sometimes the kicks are a lil late.. weird, cos i aint added any shuffle etc |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/7/2002 2:46:12 PM
ASIO drivers are a must with VST. What kind of card you have? |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: pwppch
Date:10/7/2002 3:46:29 PM
There are number of "interpretations" of what c0 is. We chose the same as Sound Forge, to be consistent. I will have a look at battery to see what they use. Peter |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/7/2002 4:34:40 PM
SonicPCH- I was hoping you would get in on this one. Please check it out and let us know of a work-around or update on the way. I know that Sonar allows you to actually name the keys in Piano roll. That would be really cool to impliment. It is very difficult to write in piano roll with battery as of now. |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: wcreed
Date:10/7/2002 7:49:12 PM
In the US, C4 is usually middle c. In Europe, C3 is usually middle c. C5 (used in Acid)is not unheard of, but seldom used. |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/8/2002 2:43:36 AM
the midi side really needs looking at preferably by someone who knows about it i simply cannot understand how anybody could have thought that this poor attempt would be acceptable if sf are so hard up i would have been willing to purchase cubase logic and my god even sonar and donate them to sf if only to let them see how midi is done you cannot live a vacumn do sf programmers walk round the office giving each other high fives complementing themselves on how great the piano roll is if you dont explain why its totally so bad (the midi) or are sf really praying for a great opt editor to remove the pressure on A4 sf should be embarrased i see the price to purchase online has dropped already from 499 to 249 i wonder why! |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: SonyNateM
Date:10/8/2002 1:17:57 PM
There are a couple of different note naming conventions out there. For example, C1 in Cubase/Logic is the same as C3 in SONAR. In ACID, we chose to continue using the same note naming scheme as SONAR, simply because it's closer to ACID's market and more likely to have crossover. I believe that Battery uses Cubase's note naming scheme, so you may need to shift the location you paint your notes in the Piano Roll up two octaves. Hope this helps, Nate |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/8/2002 2:19:22 PM
Yes...Thats what I've been doing. Two octaves up. I actually tried opening the pianoroll .dll file and seeing if there was a way to create my own labels for the keys like Sonar. Yeah right....no sense in that at all:) Just waiting for Sonic to impliment a feature like this or a 3rd party to make a piano roll that is more flexible. |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: TeeCee
Date:10/9/2002 12:44:23 PM
Some VSTi's let you pick the scheme you want. DR-008 comes to mind (I love that thing - maybe I should tell FXPansion that more often ;). TeeCee |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: wcreed
Date:10/10/2002 7:12:44 AM
As I said above, in the US C4 is the accepted middle C. I notice that you just changed FoundForge to Acid's C5. What can you be thinking? |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:10/10/2002 1:50:58 PM
C5 is also generally accepted as middle C. (Guess it all depends on the size of the keyboard used.) Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: TeeCee
Date:10/10/2002 5:06:36 PM
wcreed: I rarely look that close at the actual octave number. Must be my lack of background as a keyboardist/pianist. In fact, I have a hard time figuring out what is middle C on my Prophecy sometimes. The 440Hz A doesn't do anything for me. There's no standard like that in the Prophecy's synthesis architecture. -But- They said what they were thinking. It's on the same scale as SONAR. TeeCee |
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Subject:RE: Piano roll WRONG
Reply by: nlamartina
Date:10/10/2002 9:09:07 PM
WCreed, C4 is certainly a common label for middle C, but it's by no means a universal standard, not even in the United States. What people define middle C as often has to do with what national music board/association one belongs to. It also varies by instrument and interface. Some associations call it C4. Others call it C5. One of the more prominant wind/brass-associated groups call it C0! Also, MIDI keyboards most commonly call it C5 since the MIDI standard number of keys is wider than a standard piano. Scooting it up one octave allows them to avoid having to name the lowest keys after negative numbers. Since Acid is a piece of software that works with MIDI interfaces, choosing to call middle C "C5" is the most appropriate choice. Hope this helps, Nick LaMartina |