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Subject:instrument definition for piano roll?
Posted by: DeadbyDesign
Date:10/9/2002 7:44:00 AM
Is there anyway that one can create an instrument definition for Acid's piano roll like Cakewalk? You know, where you can mark the piano keys in the piano roll editor so that they reflect the sample that they are triggering. Thanks |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/9/2002 8:03:57 AM
I wish. I've been crying about this too. |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/9/2002 9:52:03 AM
Maybe a third party will develop an OPT piano roll for us and charge 100 bucks or so on top of our 4.0 purchase. Man, is it just me, or is a piano roll very remedial as far as apps go. It almost appears "pong" like to me. But, I know nothing about programming. Even the crappiest apps have more functionality in the piano roll and midi department. If I do one more Google search for OPT plugins I'm going to puke. |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: DeadbyDesign
Date:10/9/2002 3:03:58 PM
That does stink that this (instrument definition ceation) is not an available feature for Acid 4.0. |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: anon
Date:10/9/2002 5:17:52 PM
I was actually going to ask about this. That sucks. Trying to use a drum sampler is such a pain w/o having a visual reference. I'll probably drop SoFo an e-mail suggestion. |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:10/9/2002 5:28:48 PM
"Man, is it just me, or is a piano roll very remedial as far as apps go. It almost appears "pong" like to me."---LOL!!!!!!!! :) |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/9/2002 6:16:06 PM
remedial is good word i prefer rubbish ! i have however had a series of posts with peter from sf over the last few days and he prefers to call it functional i guess it must mean something else in the states then? (i even sent him the dictionary definition as well )and as far as hes concerned the matter with me is now closed! oo er.... that ll make better then im off toys r us for my next app |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: pwppch
Date:10/9/2002 8:57:26 PM
You wonder why I am done with you when you make comments like Toys 'r Us? You reap what you sow. If you really want to discuss the short comings of ACID, I am always ready for that. Spare me the emotional and inflammatory remarks. You say that you are a professional, why not act like one. Peter |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/10/2002 3:15:30 AM
steady on there peter old boy sticks and stones and all that had a sense of humour bybass or something? i said i was off to toys r us for my next app no mention of sf in there or did i unintentionally hit a raw nerve? a touch of paranoia creeping in perhaps either way id hardly call it inflammatory or emotional unlike your own little outburst perhaps ill begin to act professional when the app im using allows me to work in a professional manner thank you |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: pwppch
Date:10/10/2002 12:14:51 PM
Whatever. You aren't interested in a dicussion. Peter |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:10/10/2002 12:31:47 PM
If it's any consolation, ACID Pro 4.0 is allowing me to work in a professional manner. Oh, the irony of it all... :oD Seriously, PHAT, what'd you expect? One has to be careful when one words one's sentences. The way the "Toys R Us" thing was worded did indeed sound a little vicious to me when I first read it. Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: stakeoutstudios
Date:10/10/2002 1:31:48 PM
You also have to look at the fact the in ACID 4.0, SF have done something completely revolutionary with OPT. That fact that any third party can access all MIDI functions in ACID is every bit as revolutionary as DirectX Plugins allowing us to mix audio in realtime on a computer. Just look at the choice we have now for DirectX Plugins / VST instruments. Just imagine if fruity loops develped a piano roll OPT plugin for us, or for example Native Instruments. There are loads of great companies out there, and SF have just got the ball rolling with the perfect host. This is their first shot at the MIDI / VSTi / audio combo app, and it's the most intuitive I've used to date. Give them time to perfect as far as they've got. It can only get better. Jason |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/10/2002 2:05:27 PM
still think its a little paranoia creeping i mean its not the first time the t word mentioned and despite what peter thinks im well up for discussion and just because hes a little touchy its doesnt mean i am besides if he is so confident in the product a little crit here shouldnt hurt that bad should it? |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:10/10/2002 3:12:39 PM
That depends. Peter (and others on the team, I would imagine) worked really hard to get what's featured in ACID 4.0. To be honest, it's quite a feat, considering there was no MIDI playback/recording to begin with in previous versions. I was taken aback myself when I found out ACID 4.0 would have VSTi support. (That's not because I thought ACID couldn't be capable, but probably because of the way I personally work with ACID. See recent posts of mine for details.) Imagine you've worked long and hard on coding a program only to have someone call it a toy. While you were just joking, one has to be careful as there's no emotion to back up the words. The words can be taken in a different context then what they were originally meant to be taken. Despite what users think, actually implementing a so-called proper MIDI editor in ACID is easier said than done, as ACID originally dealt with digital audio only. (Consider the fact that one couldn't even playback MIDI prior to ACID Pro 3.0; there were only MIDI sync features.) MIDI has to basically fit within the framework of what ACID already does (excellently, if I might add). OPT is a great way to go, as it's modular and doesn't get in the way of ACID's functionality as a loop-based music tool. That's what it's ultimately for. Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:10/10/2002 10:10:21 PM
Well said mD. I think we're all a bit anxious here. Having shelled out the green and waiting for revisions can make folks tense. The fact that we arent sure if SF plans on developing the OPT plugs or is waiting for other developers makes me a bit nervouse as well. Yamaha hasn't exactly been on the cutting edge in the soft world. But SF has. Hopefully others will adopt quickly! |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/11/2002 1:27:57 PM
hi md i use acid and have done for 3 years or so i would like it to continue improving it has to and possibly at a greater pace than it is doing the competition has advanced at a far greater speed the apps are out there, but its not me you have to convince im afraid many of the staff in music stores call it the t word almost down to a man which is shame but true and poor implementation such as the midi so far as it goes in A4 does nothing to help change that i know of no music shop that would point you in the direction of acid if you went in for advice on which app to buy if you were serious about making music logic cubase dp in more or less in that order it has to compete and im sure it could/will but how long? first impressions are hard to change and people dont have time to wait roll on a good opt i say |
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Subject:RE: instrument definition for piano roll?
Reply by: oZZion
Date:10/11/2002 10:43:10 PM
Hello, I am trying to figure out how to use Fruity Loops as a soft synth plug in. I haven't had alot of time to toy with it yet, but I am hoping to be able to use the fruity piano rolls and dump them into the Acid as a plug in. Anyone try this yet? oZZion |