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Subject:OPT
Posted by: justifiedalive
Date:9/30/2002 10:23:12 PM
What is it please? I am so in the dark here. |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:9/30/2002 11:18:53 PM
It stands for, "Open Plug-In Technology." It was developed by Yamaha. More info can be found here. HTH, Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: nlamartina
Date:9/30/2002 11:54:06 PM
Here's a really rough analogy, in terms of how they're primarily utilized in Acid... DirectX plugins : Audio :: OPT plguins : MIDI - Nick |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: justifiedalive
Date:9/30/2002 11:59:47 PM
Hmmm. And this is what cakewalk uses as well? Thanks for the analogy. |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: Neil_Palfreyman
Date:10/1/2002 2:43:25 AM
Sonar "supports" OPT. In reality this means you can plug third party OPT plugs into Sonar. Except the Acid OPT plugs (MIDI editors.) They appear in Sonar, but dont actually work. I've reported this problem to both SoFo and Cakewalk. SoFo say its Cakewalk's problem, Cakewalk haven't responded. So much for an open standard. The dream ticket (for me at least) would be use of Sonar's MIDI editor as an OPT plug-in in Acid, but if the above is an example of the kind of cooperation we're going to get between major companies "supporting" OPT its going to stay a pipe dream. I also put a post on K-v-R a while back asking if any of the people over there knew of any OPT plugs in development. I had one response. I could be wrong (hope I am) but the future of OPT doesn't look to bright to me. |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: pwppch
Date:10/1/2002 8:11:47 AM
SONAR does not not currently support OPT editors, only views, and limited in that regard. There are many "levels" of OPT plugs. 4 are defined for marketing purposes, but each level must support different host features in order for the plug in to function. OPT is new. OPT is in the chicken and the egg mode right now. Few hosts, few plugs. ACID actually had to limit what it exposed because there were no OPT filters available to test against. Yamaha's focus is on hardware control pannels for their hardware synths right now, which makes sense for Yamaha. They are also developing editors and filters. Third party developers have to determine the viability of OPT to generate revenue. I look foward to the day that I can pick my favorite editors to work with. I believe that day will come, but it may take awhile. ACID is the first mainstream app that supports editing. We have to give it a chance. Peter |
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Subject:Opcode Vision plugin?
Reply by: WT
Date:10/1/2002 12:36:58 PM
Does anybody remember Opcode Vision? To Sonic Foundry or any up-and-coming OPT editor developers out there: Please, please develop a version of the piano roll interface like the way that Opcode had implemented in Vision. There's a reason why a lot of pros (Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard...) keep outdated systems around, just to run this sequencer. The workflow is simply unbelievable in this program. (Vision, that is!) Sadly, still nothing to this day compares. I know a lot of people (myself included) who would pay good money (and bear your child, if possible, to boot) to see Vision-like editing resurrected. Cheers, WT |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: Neil_Palfreyman
Date:10/1/2002 1:00:44 PM
Peter, thanks for educating me! I had no idea that there were different levels of OPT support (and sadly has zip by way of info in the response I had from tech support.) Also thanks to SoFo for trailblazing with OPT! ...I sincerely hope it catches on - the potential is certainly there. Are there any signs of cooperation between the big vendors (SoFo and Cakewalk), or do you think it will be up to smaller third parties who have different commercial drivers to make the kind of things we all want to see in OPT? |
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Subject:RE: OPT
Reply by: DataCowboy
Date:10/1/2002 10:01:46 PM
It'll be nice if Yamaha can get significant buy-in on the concept, but I don't think I'll hold my breath. Yamaha seems to come up with great technical ideas but really drops the ball when it comes to providing the initial support and push needed to get to critical mass on their ideas. I don't think many of their hardware partners were real thrilled about lukewarm sales of their additions for the DS2416 card, and it took quite some time for software companies to put in the technology to take advantage of the DS2416's capabilties. The same slow start seems to be happening with mLAN. A lot of initial buzz, but not many actual tools showing up for it. And they actually are requiring a signed document to get the OPT SDK. Not a clever way to promote a standard. Hexadecimal "Mistakes are inevitable, but learning from your mistakes is optional." |
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Subject:RE: OPT=cop out
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/2/2002 3:55:25 AM
i think if opt takes off will allow software manufactures to build their apps knowingly deficient in areas where they have no expertise the finest example of this that i know is the midi editing in acid four. i personally have have no desire to return to vision but i do understand why someone would especially with the midi being it being like it is in a4 i just want it to be up to date or at least as good apps on my atari 4meg opt is a cop out ! |
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Subject:RE: OPT=cop out
Reply by: TeeCee
Date:10/2/2002 11:20:23 AM
Yeah OPT is a cop out! Just like VST and DirectX! If those standards didn't exist, Sound Forge, SONAR, CuBase, and everything else would have to build all of that functionality into their programs! And I couldn't use the same setings for say compression in different programs! Wait, that would suck! OPT is COOL! TeeCee |
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Subject:RE: OPT=cop out
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/2/2002 12:34:35 PM
im talking midi here learn to read idiot vst in cubase i wonder how that happened? |
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Subject:PHATDRUMS - What do you use for MIDI?
Reply by: WT
Date:10/3/2002 1:01:47 AM
Sounds like you've used Vision in the past. ; ) What do you use these days that fits your MIDI sequencing needs? I've tried and rejected Cubase SX, Logic Platinum, and Sonar so far. lol. I'm afraid that none have come close to Vision's functionality. I want so much to find something that just WORKS... WT |
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Subject:RE: PHATDRUMS - What do you use for MIDI?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:10/3/2002 3:05:23 AM
hi there i used to use vision quite a lot but here in in uk it just wasnt that popular so to use it meant dragging a computer to every session so i sort went with the flow which here is the cubase / logic route some people like logic some cubase i really prefer cubase for ease of use but technically i think logic is better both are light years ahead of the poor excuse for midi in acid i really was hoping for something better so that i cold use just one app instead of 2 to do one job time is money |
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Subject:RE: OPT=cop out
Reply by: TeeCee
Date:10/4/2002 11:28:09 AM
idiot? Maybe the idiot is the guy that missed the analogy (look it up). TeeCee |