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Subject:Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Posted by: Jayson Date:9/27/2002 6:51:13 PM I've been producing for some years now. Finally I get a chance to produce a rap group from out of Baltimore, MD. I mean a real pay check and real budget, and a real album deal. I use Calkwalk products up till now but I've been thinking about upgrading. Before I drop down money on a Calkwalk upgrade I wanted to see what other products are out there. It's been awhile since I bought Calkwalk from Best Buys dept. store(Remember where I bought this Calkwalk product from). I have a producing friend who swears by Acid 3.0 for sample loop producing. So, I logged on to this web site seeking what all the fuss was about. I visioned myself producing some hard core hip hop and r&b cuts with the features I read about in Acid Pro 4.0. The spec's on this software is hot. The midi resolution is high. This is very important if your sync-ing a sample track and want to play keyboards on top of that sample. Loops never stay in tempo, especially if you sample from a LP record. I could go on and on about all the great features that fit for todays new age producers, but..... It doesn't work. Period. End of sentence. End of story. And the reason I said to remember where I bought my product from is because SonicFoundry's Acid Products are selling at a store near you. When I buy milk from the grocery I trust the labling on the carton. It says milk. I know what I am getting, so I fork down afew bucks for the product. If I pick up a Acid product from the store, the first thing I do and everyone else will do is look at the features on the box and check the systems requirements. Where on your product does it say may be incompatible with some systems. It doesn't. I would have demanded a refund from SonicFoundry if I had purchased this product. Or maybe like most computer related companies little support and long hold times on the phone. I like when someone tells you, your computer may be the problem. Like you don't know your system. I am a advanced user. I build machines and sell them at my local flea market. A good friend of mines has a full time computer store too. I'm always down there doing computer jobs for him. Sometimes for parts, sometimes he pays me. I know C++, Java, Perl, SQL, Macromedia Flash, Html, ect..... I mess with many machines including my Amiga 2000 for my video toaster shit! 5 PC computers in my studio all at different speeds but the same OS Windows ME. The first demo version I tried, version 4.0 gave me a error when you hit the play button. Version 4.0a sucks! The program doesn't even run(for all you computer programs out there) This is a defective product that should be recalled. If this demo doesn't work the real product must not work either. Sad deal Sonicfoundry. You could have had a new custumer, but instead I'll look else where. I've been looking a Magix Products. There starting to pack some really cool features in this product too. Just my half cents here. If SonicFoundry would like to talk to me about beta testing future demo versions to see if there product finally works contact me a truedalife@aol.com. I don't understand why software companies on the PC side can't get these programs right. Have you seen the advertisements for Mac latley. There right. PC's crash all the time. You spend more time troubleshoot and upgrading and e-mailing tech support and restarting your machine and upgrading again to no aval. If the product works I'll buy it, but I tell you one thing, I never had a problem calkwalk audio. I bought it out of the store took it out of the box and been producing funky tracks from day one. Improve your programming or get out of the business sell crap like this product is. Can someone who owns this product and has had success, please post a message. I'd like to know what really works. Tell us what your OS is, motherboard chip set VIA, SiS, Intel, also include your Processor with speed. You can get as detailed as you like by telling us other stuff about you system too. I like reading about other machines. I know what systems have problems and which ones have very few. All PC systems have some kind for quirk or two. There are some good motherboards out there, but the saying you get what you paid for holds true here. I hope SonicFoundry changes there software for the better. Maybe error free on 90% of systems. Or maybe this is already the end of SonicFoundry as a company. And my post is the last post. And my anger at this company for hyping me up about there product and letting me down will end up on some server that will be auctioned off. Lost forever. Just one person's complaint, lost forever in cyber space. I know this sounds a little far off. But it sounds about a real as them getting there act together.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Jayson Date:9/27/2002 8:55:55 PM Acid Pro 4.0a doesn't work with Windows ME. I've been producing for some years now. Finally I get a chance to produce a rap group from out of Baltimore, MD. I mean a real pay check and real budget, and a real album deal. I use Calkwalk products up till now but I've been thinking about upgrading. Before I drop down money on a Calkwalk upgrade I wanted to see what other products are out there. It's been awhile since I bought Calkwalk from Best Buys dept. store(Remember where I bought this Calkwalk product from). I have a producing friend who swears by Acid 3.0 for sample loop producing. So, I logged on to this web site seeking what all the fuss was about. I visioned myself producing some hard core hip hop and r&b cuts with the features I read about in Acid Pro 4.0. The spec's on this software is hot. The midi resolution is high. This is very important if your sync-ing a sample track and want to play keyboards on top of that sample. Loops never stay in tempo, especially if you sample from a LP record. I could go on and on about all the great features that fit for todays new age producers, but..... It doesn't work. Period. End of sentence. End of story. And the reason I said to remember where I bought my product from is because SonicFoundry's Acid Products are selling at a store near you. When I buy milk from the grocery I trust the labling on the carton. It says milk. I know what I am getting, so I fork down afew bucks for the product. If I pick up a Acid product from the store, the first thing I do and everyone else will do is look at the features on the box and check the systems requirements. Where on your product does it say may be incompatible with some systems. It doesn't. I would have demanded a refund from SonicFoundry if I had purchased this product. Or maybe like most computer related companies little support and long hold times on the phone. I like when someone tells you, your computer may be the problem. Like you don't know your system. I am a advanced user. I build machines and sell them at my local flea market. A good friend of mines has a full time computer store too. I'm always down there doing computer jobs for him. Sometimes for parts, sometimes he pays me. I know C++, Java, Perl, SQL, Macromedia Flash, Html, ect..... I mess with many machines including my Amiga 2000 for my video toaster shit! 5 PC computers in my studio all at different speeds but the same OS Windows ME. The first demo version I tried, version 4.0 gave me a error when you hit the play button. Version 4.0a sucks! The program doesn't even run(for all you computer programs out there) This is a defective product that should be recalled. If this demo doesn't work the real product must not work either. Sad deal Sonicfoundry. You could have had a new custumer, but instead I'll look else where. I've been looking a Magix Products. There starting to pack some really cool features in this product too. Just my half cents here. If SonicFoundry would like to talk to me about beta testing future demo versions to see if there product finally works contact me a truedalife@aol.com. I don't understand why software companies on the PC side can't get these programs right. Have you seen the advertisements for Mac latley. There right. PC's crash all the time. You spend more time troubleshoot and upgrading and e-mailing tech support and restarting your machine and upgrading again to no aval. If the product works I'll buy it, but I tell you one thing, I never had a problem calkwalk audio. I bought it out of the store took it out of the box and been producing funky tracks from day one. Improve your programming or get out of the business sell crap like this product is. Can someone who owns this product and has had success, please post a message. I'd like to know what really works. Tell us what your OS is, motherboard chip set VIA, SiS, Intel, also include your Processor with speed. You can get as detailed as you like by telling us other stuff about you system too. I like reading about other machines. I know what systems have problems and which ones have very few. All PC systems have some kind for quirk or two. There are some good motherboards out there, but the saying you get what you paid for holds true here. I hope SonicFoundry changes there software for the better. Maybe error free on 90% of systems. Or maybe this is already the end of SonicFoundry as a company. And my post is the last post. And my anger at this company for hyping me up about there product and letting me down will end up on some server that will be auctioned off. Lost forever. Just one person's complaint, lost forever in cyber space. I know this sounds a little far off. But it sounds about a real as them getting there act together.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: SHTUNOT Date:9/27/2002 10:44:01 PM 1. Please don't right like that because its hard on the eyes and I don't feel like squinting...Please break into smaller sections... 2. Acid 3.0g was solid..get it...3.0"g". Yes this initial release was VERY bad but there was a HUGE improvement on my system with 4.0a...Not one crash yet...Not perfect also...HP P3 600mhz cpu,384ram,echo layla 20bit soundcard[beta drivers 6.04],Win XP PRO. 3. WINDOWS ME SUCKS!!!!!! I would start there if I were you. You did the smart thing and tried the demo and saw that it doesn't work well on your system...good. Wait till it does and buy the product if you still want. This topic has been covered to death lately so if you have some time to kill just read the earlier posts for the whole "soap opera" of acid 4.0. It can only get better. Alot of good people on these forums are taking time out of their busy schedule to help out and write bug reports and emailing it to support. Many have been reproduced and are in the stages of being fixed. How long till we can all rest easy? Your guess is as good as mine. One thing though...In your entire rant you NEVER specified the system that you are trying to run acid on...why? How can anybody help you without knowing your cpu,ram,soundcard/driver version,video card,etc...How can anybody reproduce your bugs so that they can get fixed in the next update? Hope to still see you around when things get worked out. Later.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: skysurfer Date:9/28/2002 2:04:21 AM What a bullshit post !! It hurts not only the eyes but the brain too.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: DataCowboy Date:9/28/2002 2:07:24 AM Hmm, well, personally I can't say I'd be switching to Magix software if I was looking for something that works. Maybe they're getting better since my last experiences with them, but I always found they were all show and little substance. And, if you believe what Mac is a advertising then I think you will be disappointed with them, too. Have yet to see any Macs running in any audio environment that are any more or less stable than the PCs I've been using. Hex
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: PHATDRUMS Date:9/28/2002 5:11:31 AM listen data im am pc user 2.8 gig p4 blah blah etc but i drool over my friends and colleagues 1ghz g4 and the speed and smothness of its audio integration on average one 1 crash every two months and the programs really work too!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Jayson Date:9/28/2002 8:35:40 AM I was venting at SonicFoundry dudes. And ME does not suck. With every OS there are goig to be some guirks. I've seen the Blue Screen of Death on a XP system , so. I've never had a real problem I couldn't fix on ME. I was using 98SE but was having bad networking problems. WIndows 98SE sucks for networking. I build computers dudes and make good money on the weekend at my local flea market doing so. I didn't list my systems because I use 5 machices. The only thing the same about all of my systems is there all using Windows ME. I use Calkwalk audio now with no problems. I've tried Magix Music Maker Pro and it was rock soild. Why was it soild? Because Magix has good programmers. You say Acid 3.0g was a soild program. Not! It still has problems on a ME machine. This is the version my friend usings. Also look at how many re-visions were written before you said it works fine. Letter G? I read a post were someone forked down $200 bucks, and can't use 4.0 or 4.0a. So there going to use 3.0 instead. How can Sonicfoundry justify a paying custumer not being able to us there product. You can't. This is bullshit and we as consumers need to stop excepting bad software from these companies, including Microsoft. You don't think I know what I am talking about? Well, I've been into computers since I was 14 years old. I'm now 31. My first computer was the Texas Instruments TI99/4A (Do you remember?) I started programming games and other crap at that age. I was using extended Basic then. I then had a Commodore 64, a Commodore 128, a apple IIc. I attended Beach Channel High school in Queens, NY where I took up programming in my 11th and 12th grade. I was in a class room filled with Asian students. Later on in life around 19 or 20 years old I obtained a Atari 1040ST, which was great for for producing music. I was using Dr. T's products then and KCS (Keyboard Controlled Sequencer). Anyone remember Tiger Pro sequencing program, or universal sampling editor on the Atari. I then bought me my first machine after seeing it's demo in a computer store in NYC where I lived at the time. It was a Commodore Amiga 2000HD which I still use today with my Studio 16 sound card and a Newtek Video toaster card. Do you understand any of this so far? I bought my first PC which was a Packard Hell system running Windows 3.1 (I still have this machine and it works too). I then found out, after a bad time with tech support, that I could have built a better machine, the way I wanted it. The rest is history. I attend the Marketpro Computer shows for PC Parts. I also have a friend who has his own computer store called C-Tek, Inc. I get the hook up from him. Plus e-bay and Tiger.com and etc...... I program C++, Java, Html, Flash, Dreamweaver, VB, and many more. I still use Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on a older laptop (I turn heads when I'm using it). But it has never crashed on me. I use it on the road when I travel. I plug my Nextel Cell phone into it and log on-line from anywhere and surf the web. I even log into my computer at home and exchange files. I know all windows products. Windows 95, 98SE, ME, 2000 Server, NT Server, and XP. I use 2000 Server at work. I work for a construction firm as there IT person. We have a Dell Server using 4-2.0Ghz PIV's. I know my shit dude. In my home recording studio, I'm using 5 PC's. I use 2 machines for Midi data only, 1 machine for wav sampling with a midi hook-up so I can play it with my keyboard. Who needs a Akai sampler any more? 1 machine is for audio recording. Vocals, instruments and things like that. My last machine is used for mixing it all together into 2 audio tracks. I also control my digital Yamaha mixer from this machine. I use my home networing connection to send my midi sync code. It's a neat program I use to do this that sends midi data thru your network. I only use only AMD chips. Here is some of my systems: 2- AMD K6III-550Mhz on a shuttle motherboard( not K6II ) 2- AMD Duron 1.2Ghz one on a Chaintech, one on a Aopen motherboard. 1- AMD XP 1.6Ghz on a shuttle motherboard. I maxed out all my memory. I use all Maxtor 7200RPM drives except for my AMD XP machine where I'm using a SCSI set up. I only use Nvidia video cards. I have 3 GeForce2 MX/400 and 2 Geforce3 cards. I have all the lastest drivers in my machines. I've never had a really bad piece of software before. Until now. I Beta test for AOL dial up service and there High Speed Service. I get DSL for $21.00 a month for doing so. And even there software is better written than this. I could go on and on about what I do and what I have but the bottom line is the software sucks and I'll be spending my money elsewhere. It was poorly written and SonicFoundry should be ashame that they put out this bad piece of software. Like I said, if I goto the store to buy milk, and I pick up the carton and it says milk. It better be milk when I get home. It doesn't say may be milk inside. This is what your excepting when you allow companies to make software that only works on some machines. It does not say "will only work on some machine" on SonicFoundry's packaging. If it did you wouldn't buy it because it may not work. It only has a min. system requirments. And all of my machines meet the min. requirments. On my machines start up I have nothing running. My resources are always high 95% or better. I'm not the only one having problems here dudes. Check the forum, alot of complaint here. Do the math.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Dewaine Date:9/28/2002 10:03:36 AM Jayson, Upgrade to Sonar 2.0, it has the looping and it works! Then when SF gets to update Acid 4.0z or something buy Acid. I know there are a lot of people like me that simply gave up on Acid and are using functioning software. I bought 4.0 and look forward to working with it when it's out of beta. I look forward to working with Acid 4.0 because for some things simple is better, and Acid to me is like a lite version of Sonar (little midi support, etc). Don't let these guys get to you, its not worth reworking your whole computer just to try to make one buggy app work.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Jayson Date:9/28/2002 10:14:37 AM Thanks for the words Dewaine. I agree with 101 percent of what you said. Peace Out!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: skysurfer Date:9/28/2002 10:35:07 AM Then go away and leave us happy Acid users alone ! You dont deserve such a great program like Acid 4, you are a shame for the whole community ! If you dont respect the work of the SoFo people go play elsewhere or go and see a doctor !
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: jcarney42 Date:9/28/2002 10:39:38 AM Normally I don't respond to stuff like this, but this time.... jayson, if you are a developer, then you know Windows ME is still based on a DOS core. Win2k and WinXP are not. I have win2k, and a Waveterminal 192M (just dumped my Audigy for this card), 1 gig for ram , and AthlonXP 1700 among other things, the latest patches from MS and Abit (mobo) and things are working fine for me. No crashes, no lockups. there is more to this than just Acid. Many don't want to face the fact their systems may be contributing to the problem. Not saying there aren't problems, but many are based on ignorance as well as bugs. As far a Macs go, I've watched plenty of them crash and burn over the years. Just offering a counterpoint, not wanting to start a flame war. If you or anyone is using a mobo with a VIA 266/266A,333/333A chipset, you will be having serious problems with a lot of things (software and hardware). Get the latest drivers, like it did, and most of them clear up, especially if you are having latency issues. I think the best site to check out is viashpere.com or viahardware.com.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: drbam Date:9/28/2002 10:54:14 AM Regarding ME, I have yet to see even one comment or article that recommends ME for audio production. To be sure, everything I've seen and read so far suggests avoiding ME. Of course I haven't read everything, but there's certainly enough data to confirm that its a problematic OS for audio. drbam
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: aress Date:9/28/2002 10:58:00 AM i agree ME is not worth using for a media production workstation, go with win2k pro or xp... also, i have been a power mac user since '85, and i can tell you that MACS DO CRASH. also, if one program goes down the whole system crashs [osx excluded]. also most macs are being used for only one or two apps... [i.e. pro stools] while all my pc workstations also double as business machines.... since i've been using win2k2 pro for the last two years, i have had little to no trouble in stability.... the only problem i have had was with acid 4.0! no other release by sf has been so bogus. 4.0a works much better, but still has a few kinks.. i think with sf's cutbacks in staff, and the terrible stock price, they probably felt they needed a cash infusion from acid4, but the shot themselves in the foot with a buggy [what should have been a beta] release.... but, the audio engine on v4 is worth the upgrade alone. and i am digging the auto fx....give me more!!!.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: opiadream Date:9/28/2002 11:53:51 AM Its really sad that someone so into music producing and who knows so much about computers can't make a proper sentence such as 'acid pro 4.0a IS even WORSE' I find it really hard to believe sonic foundry put out a program that simply wont make sound.Did you check the audio/midi settings option or did you just keep hitting the play button muttering 'this is worst' maybe it occured to you to try acid 3.0 which has been around longer first.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: AlDavis Date:9/28/2002 12:22:23 PM Hey Jayson, If you like Cakewalk, why not get Sonar. The new version is design for Acid loops. From what I hear, the new Sonar works like Acid. Download the demo to check it out. This should solve everything for you.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/28/2002 12:58:53 PM I usually am ignoring posts like this nowadays, but I feel the need to comment anyway... Quite frankly, I've been around this industry long enough to know that software and hardware are as perfect as the people that make them. (Hint: They're not and never will be.) I can't believe you haven't come to this conclusion yet. If you basically can't deal with that fact, then maybe you haven't made the right career choice. One thing's for sure: I couldn't dream of having this much creative musical power not so long ago. Big fat kudos to SoFo (and other companies for that matter) for giving us this ability. And let's not isolate this to ACID, shall we? I contribute to another forum with people who have similar woes using Cubase, SONAR, Logic et al. I suppose you have your troubles, but how do you explain why ACID doesn't work for you but it works just fine for me (and other users)? Please elaborate. Sure, it has some niggling bugs (mostly just UI related), but nothing that prevents ACID from being functional on my end. I use a custom-built system too (built by me), BTW. It's a PIII 800EB MHz w/384 MB PC133 SDRAM, 32 MB ATI Radeon DDR (AGP), ASUS CUSL2-C motherboard, M-Audio Audiophile 2496 and an M-Audio USB Duo. Run Windows XP Home as my OS. Quite meager by today's standards (except for the audio interfaces). But it works. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Maruuk Date:9/28/2002 1:37:16 PM Oh please. Sonar 2.0 is stable, effective, and just plain works. There is no comparison with AP 4.0--it is a marginal bug-ridden, dysfunctional beta release at best, plain and simple, for which unpaid users are expected to bug report. Saying this is business as usual is such an obvious spin doctor scam it rivals the propaganda about Iraq as a direct threat to US security. The people have spoken. It's now on the public record that SOFO has released this mess due to extreme financial hardship and understaffing. Users get that. We understand. Now let's move on and stop pretending that this turd has legs. In the near term, SOFO will either cease to exist (at least as we know it, they are an acquisition target) or they will put some lipstick on this toad. Whoever said "g" is about right--that's the point it will start to work on average machines. That's the reality--no spin, no dramatics. A couple of guys have it working in cryogenically-sealed DAW's tweaked hourly by NASA techs. How nice for you. Unfortunately the majority of users forced by cruel fate to live in the real world have spoken--loud and clear. That 4.0 is a complete turkey is no biggie. There are lots of great Acid-compatible WORKING apps out there. And hopefully SOFO can round up some VC and hire a few coders who know what up. We'd all like to see Acid back on top, and there's even a chance it will be. So let's relax a bit and shrug it off. The state of music apps in general has never been better, and when users take a vacation from Acid, they'll discover what ReWire can do. And that's gonna change everything.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/28/2002 1:48:10 PM My question still stands. Answer? Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Maruuk Date:9/28/2002 2:08:06 PM Answer--it does NOT work for most users. It only works in a tiny, random sample of perfectly tweaked systems. OCD meets hardware roll-of-the-dice luck. Hardly the basis for a strong marketing campaign. I can see the min req's now: Minimum Requirements: User must have Coke-bottle glasses, a pocket protector, white socks, black shoes and one specific combination of hardware and software which we would tell you what it is if we knew, but we don't have any more employees so we can't. Specifications subject to chang without notice.
Subject:RE: @Maruuk: Average Acid User Specs Reply by: skysurfer Date:9/28/2002 2:18:33 PM "cryogenically-sealed DAW tweaked hourly by NASA techs" rotfl i love your sense of humour, man - delicious !! ready to take off on a trip to the moon anytime, with ground control on an very average, as discribed above, Acid "big iron" workstation and people like you... greetz
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/28/2002 2:29:01 PM That doesn't exactly cut it for me. It's actually insultive towards users who do have ACID 4.0 running fine. But blame is so easy, isn't it? If you are having a problem with ACID 4.0, it doesn't mean other users will. You don't even know the ratio of successful vs. failed users. Just because there are posts of ACID 4.0 misery doesn't amount to a hill of proverbial beans, IMO. Forums are a magnet for troubled users anyway, no matter what app we're talking about. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Maruuk Date:9/28/2002 3:32:46 PM Read the posts, dude. This forum is littered with the bodies of sincere Acid lovers who got eaten by giant bugs. If this is business as usual, then Ken Lay must be secretly running SOFO. "Know them by the trail of dead..." With each little letter that follows 4.0 more users will get back online, but severe damage to SOFO's credibility has been done. Only time will tell if recovery is possible at this point. I'd like to think so, but it does look awfully bleak.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Jayson Date:9/28/2002 3:42:26 PM Here's the deal. I have never had a problem out of my MVP4 VIA chipset. I have a PInnacle video capture card in one of my VIA's were I do digital video and audio. Don't beleive the hype of what you read. I burn CD's with my 3 machines and more. I haven't had a problem out of my super socket 7 Via chipset motherboards. My K6III 550Mhz machines out perform a intel 500mhz Celeron on my bench mark test. And I don't by junk, Shuttle is a great MotherBoard. Can you explain this? Trouble free for over 5 years on these machines. Now as for the OS thing. I know what ME is and that it is still a dos based OS. But I don't have any problems out of it. Where as I had problems out of 98 tring to home network all 5 of my machines. I don't run out and get the lastest and greatest thing everytime it comes out. I don't fall into the crap. There is software still being written for 98 and ME systems so why bother. I the system requirements tell me I need Windows ME. I know that there are some DLL's and drivers in this program that will work with ME Kernels. If SoFo is looking to the future and moving away from 98 and ME that's fine too. I don't need Acid to produce funky tracks dude. I remember going to the studio and just producing great tracks with a ensoniq Mirage 8 bit sampler unit and a Mac for sequence and a roland SMPTE time code box to lock up with a Tascam 12 track 1/2 inch tape machine. I'm old school from NYC with producing credits under my belt yo. If it says it should work for ME then it should work for ME. It sounds like the folks at SoFo may have provided some technical help with the solid rocket boosters to the space shuttle. Because the program crashes and burns upon take off.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Darklight20 Date:9/28/2002 6:29:10 PM Dude you do seem to know your stuff with computers and all and some stuff is more rock solid than others but because of your problem and many other problems i have been having with getting done what i want to get done in music I'm now officially switching to hardware. I'm gonna use an mpc2000xl and a roland harddisk recorder. Sure the visuals of the pc are way more pleasant but i'm tired of stuff not working. I think stomp boxes sound better than plugins anyway.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Mozzer Date:9/28/2002 10:11:08 PM Ummm Rewire - nice isn't it - WHEN IT WORKS! I have just done a completely CLEAN install on of WinXP Pro plus Cubase VST32/SX & Nuendo - which I own all of before anybody comes off on the cracks line - and Reason 2. Not one of these applications will work with Reason being Rewired - not one. This is with the latest drivers accross the board on an Asus A7S333 mobo with 1 gig of DDR ram. I have NEVER been able to get Reiwre working properly and this is one a mobo recommended for audio!!! I was the same on the last two I tried as well!! So don't think Rewire is the holy grail - it's SHAT! Moz
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Mozzer Date:9/28/2002 10:14:12 PM And why don't you dance a little harder your nearly letting them live you know.............. prat Moz
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Mozzer Date:9/28/2002 10:29:07 PM Windows ME was a stop gap O/S that Microsoft bought out while they tried to weld Win98 to NT. When that marriage failed ME became the bastard son. Anybody who has a CLUE about running a DAW on a 9x based PC will tell you 98SE is the only O/S to talk about. I have turned on so many out of the box pre-built and tested PC's with ME on their hard drives that had stupid error messages and crashes out of the box it's not true!!! Windows Me was the Windows 3 of 32 bit operating systems. - it was pants (crap, rubbish,it blew chunks - whatever your local vernacular!) XP on the other hand is a good O/S that tweaked with the right drivers rocks. Acid 3.0g caused me no problems - as did most of the other builds actually- and up to now neither has Acid 4.0 (a). I have done some 1 hour plus DJ mixes in it so far with no issues. Having said that I've not exhaustivley tested it to extinction with midi etc either like so many "pros" here. But then "pros" use more than one tool to achieve their aims and wouldn't just rely on Acid to track all midi and audio. They would more likely be using Cubase/Logic/Sonar fer chrissakes! If you are running a studio and have dropped any of the above 3 in favour of a completely new re-write of an audio only (comparatively speaking!) app like Acid then you are silly! You take on board new versions and try them out - if it doesn't work 100% then you can fall back on what has worked fine for you up until now thank you very much and not have to worry! Jeez stop whining and realise that before 4 came along you did things one way and that way still exists. To put it in perspective yes you paid $99 for an application, I REGULARLY spend more than that one VST instrument that don't do 30% of what Acid does! It will get fixed as did Cubase 5, as did Acid 2!, as did Logic 5, as did Sonar! Sonic Foundy does not have the corner on this area and for god's sake stop willing them into failure and bankruptcy - thats childish. Moz
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: The_Internal Date:9/28/2002 11:21:49 PM What kind of "advanced user" would even go near a computer with Windows ME on it?!? I could understand win2k, maybe even twitch Win 98 SE, but ME?!? If you hadn't of said that, I might actually feel sorry for you. I build my own rigs, have worked in computer stores, done code, 3d, 2d, etc. So what. I have had some problems with 4.0 and 4.0a, as I have with any new programs. 4.0 is an amazingly powerful music program, despite it's glitches, and it has allowed me to express myself in ways I never thought possible. 4.0's MIDI capabilites are kickass too. They do have a bit of a learning curve though. Be patient, get Windows XP Pro, and take the time to muddle through the program. Alot of cool stuff can be done with the simple interface, but there are a lot of neat things that can be done if you start messing with some of the more complex stuff in the menus. My system specs: Proc:Athlon XP 1600 Mobo:MSI k7n420pro RAM: 1 stick of Crucial 512 MB DDR 2100 non-ECC Hard drive (primary): IBM 60 GB deskstar (they work great until they fail unexpectedly sigh) Hard drive (slave): 120 GB Western Digital Special Edition w/8mb disk cache (all my files go here, in case the IBM dies. Again. For the third time) Graphics: nforce 420 D (integrated Geforce 2 MX) Sound: SB Audigy Platinum (disabled the MCP-D on the mobo) I also have the MSI TV@nywhere, Lite-on 40x12x28 cdrw, 16x Toshiba DVD-ROM, and a 350 watt Entex power supply, but they shouldn't be a factor. Live, love, and be well, Kevin D.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Mozzer Date:9/29/2002 7:34:05 AM Stompboxes!!! LOL No they don't! Moz
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: dkistner Date:9/30/2002 9:41:45 AM I only got through three messages here, but I'll tell ya: I would never buy any kind of software from a Best Buy again. Every single piece of software I've ever bought from a store like this was like a dumped beta version, and then when I tried to get it swapped out it was HELL. Once I tried to return a (shudder) Microsoft product I'd bought at a Best Buy, and after months of getting no satisfaction at all from Microsoft, the Best Buy manager took the box from me and said he'd call me when he got a replacement. I even got a receipt from him, at least something he scrawled down to say I left it. Another two months later, after many calls, I found out this guy had gone to another store and the store claimed I'd never left the software. They treated me like I was a con man trying to bilk them out of something. And I was out $349! Caveat emptor.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: decrink Date:9/30/2002 11:37:54 AM This topic was one of the worsest I've seen yet. Dear ME. I can't get Acid to run on my Atari 1040 which was built just for music and its the stinkiest program I've ever boughten for my computers which are all pro and hooked together with a special network device. What's wrong with the program because it can't be ME. I use ME. Thank you for you concern.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: PHATDRUMS Date:9/30/2002 4:58:09 PM 4s midi is kick ass ? which cave have have you been "interned" in for the last ten years ? if it was so kick ass there wouldnt be so much talk in these very forums about opt plugins to improve its feeble functionality its rubbish notator was better in 91 it had swing etc and that was just about the same time i gave up using the list editor also because for me i spent more time counting nos instead of making music i suggest you look up some good midi apps getting out in the fresh air will do you good
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: coolout Date:9/30/2002 9:41:21 PM 1. acid 4.0 system requirements are way wrong: my 500mhz celeron/512 sdram/10gig boot/60gig audio/ego-sys u2a win98se workhorse for the past 2+years with acid 3.0 works great, with 4.0 doesn't(crackle/crash city) 2. i bought a new 1.8mhz p4/512 ddr/20gig boot/80gig audio/winxp system just for audio. 3. 4.0a works pretty good on the new cpu and it will only get better. (trigger loops like ableton live anyone?) i got my $99 worth and then some. 4. 4.0's midi is more of a notepad than sequencer now. opt should fix that. 5. Maruuk and Jayson bring way two much drama and not enough logic to the issue. relax and go make some music guys. 6. "even WORST" is the most comical post title i've ever seen...LOL
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:9/30/2002 10:32:13 PM cool--I don't make the drama, just comment on it. All the drama is coming from the angry mob of formerly loyal Acid users for whom 4.0 crashes and burns. So you have it working on a brand new, pristine workstation. Would you like a medal? Most users can't afford to abandon their current hardware, or simply don't choose to just because SOFO came out with a brutally flawed product requiring a perfect environment to function. The drama is a good product gone bad, and the flood of defections that caused. The drama is a company teetering on the brink of a great yawing financial chasm which hasn't got the resources to debug new products before release. Can they weather the returns, the no-sales, the loss of faith from their wronged customer base? Now that's drama--reality TV meets failed tech sector--you can't write that stuff!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/30/2002 11:15:25 PM Oy. That's just not true. I don't have a brand new, ultra fast workstation, for example. Yet ACID 4.0 works for me. I just take care of my PC. Eh... But I suppose your word is gospel. Do continue on with your all knowing wisdom. >:oP Venom, Iacobus
Subject:Blue Screen of death on XP? Reply by: Jacose Date:10/1/2002 12:08:16 AM I've seen the Blue Screen of Death on a XP system-- sorry man, it doesnt exist.
Subject:Sonar 2 SUX Reply by: Jacose Date:10/1/2002 12:12:59 AM sorry maruuk, it dont work over here, Cubase SX works better, is MUUUCH more stable. VEgas Video is more stable!!! and the looping is really bad.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: anon Date:10/1/2002 1:10:28 AM I had evenwurst and sauerkraut for dinner tonight. Oh by the way, Acid 4.0a running 98% smooth on a stock out of the box Gateway with a Pentium3 and 256MB RAM.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: PHATDRUMS Date:10/1/2002 3:12:52 AM iacobus and mr gateway straight out of the box im very pleased that acid 4 works for you thats great but it still really doesnt explain its generally idiosycratic behavior for many users and as for the sentence 'i take care of my pc' what a load of bollocks its an insult and implies that many other professsional dont and i generally dont believe this to be the the case as its their livelyhood that were talking about here i for instance have tried it on at least five different machines of varying degrees of speed but all above 1.8 ghz up to 2.8 in some cases with nothing but the operating system and acid 4 on the drive NOTHING ELSE TO CORRUPT NOTHING BUT SOFO PLUGS AND STILL CRACKLES POP CRASHES im very bemused hell even the demo crackles on some of them sound drops out then comes back all with just a total of 8tracks mmmmmmmmmmmm isnt life great ill pop off now and make sure i get my computer some supper and put it to bed early so it gets a good nights sleep its sure gonna need it
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: coolout Date:10/1/2002 3:17:32 AM maruuk is a great writer. few agree with him and i think that's the way he likes it. one more round and i'm done...here's a new conspiracy theory. acid 4.0a ONLY crashes for: a.) maruuk b.) people who haven't tweaked or maintained their systems c.) people who haven't upgraded their audio drivers or are using vsti that are incompatable d.) people with less powerful systems and an older o.s. e.) all of the above legions of devoted fans are not leaving acid because of 4.0a. read any post following a major revision of any software package and you'll see the same doom and gloom drama examples: the initial xp driver woes ("ms shot themselves in the foot") and the mac os x launch ("the greatest os with no software and little backward compatability"). if anything 4.0a is just making 3.0 users cautious about taking the leap, while allowing us cheapskates in on the groundfloor. to further drive the point i must admit as a long time mac user (i have a 601 box, a biege g3, an imac, and an ibook) acid pro 4.0 pushed me over the edge to abandon the mac platform. there simply is nothing with same level of power AND simplicity on the mac. ableton live just doesn't cut it. you can't audition and import mp3 or audio cds like acid. there's no chopper and the GUI just gives me motion sickness. the thing to remember is acid 4.0 will only get better...
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Iacobus Date:10/1/2002 11:35:44 AM Nicely said, Chris. I wanted to add that I do know that there are users who are having problems that have top-of-the-line or optimized systems like PHATDRUMS has. In that case, I would consider the possibility there could be something that ACID seems to be more sensitive to, hardware or software. PC's are just such fickle things, you never know what will cause a problem. There are, quite literally, hundreds of thousands of different system configurations out there. Statistically speaking, I'd say it's quite impossible to get ACID (or any other app, DAW-related or not) running on all of them. And then there's the external factor. One can take care of one's PC all he/she would like, but if one gives a PC an electrostatic charge, one can say goodbye to their system. Even worse, one's PC might even appear to be OK after a zap, but there's definitely damage done, causing mysterious system errors and crashes. Power sags and surges can also contribute to this. I'm ultimately trying to tackle the problem from different angles. Sure, ACID has its glitches and bugs (just as other apps do), but can anyone explain why ACID would work fine on one user's system and act like the devil on another's? Shoddy code? I doubt it. If the code was shoddy, it wouldn't work on any system. It could be a case of what I said above. It could be a case of outright system device failure. It could be software that has been long since uninstalled and has residue in the Registry, causing system bloat. It could be some obscure device driver that one person uses that SoFo didn't get to test ACID with. I just don't know. Without the PC right in front of me, all I can do is guess and try to help. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: PHATDRUMS Date:10/1/2002 2:11:26 PM well iacobus when all else fails blame the old electrostatic charge routine 'this computers dead no its not its resting' your last post was surely from monty python static charge on 1 comp two at a push but five different machines ? and as i said nothing else on those machines but a variety of os's 98se xp pro xp home even for the hell of it me i suppose the issue could be in windows or the machines but YOU must agree it is a very idosyncratic piece of kit Im very much of the opinion that it should be up to sf to explain these issues instead of your goodself you are indeed a very helpful member of this forum but at the moment you appear to be an unpaid apologist for sonic foundry ! and defending sf against people who have very real issues is truly counterproductive sf are big enough or should be to stand up and be counted. they should really consider offering you a job in marketing
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/1/2002 2:44:32 PM Business is unfortunately a numbers game and at the moment the numbers don't favor SOFO or its AP 4.0 release. They needed a home run and they got a foul out. The % of AP user base that can run this mess effectively regardless of the config appears to have gone from about 95% for 3.0 to about 15%. It's all very charming that a lot of the 15 percenters are in here extolling the virtues of 4.0, but the ugly truth is a lot of the 85% who bought into this turd with the (a) lipstick have already walked. Over to Sonar, to Cubase, to anything with ReWire. I'm not here to tout those apps, they have good and bad aspects like anything. But as a moment frozen in time business-wise, it's an "interesting" snapshot of SOFO. They got hit hard by the tech slam. They got hit hard by ill-advised investment. And now they're getting slammed on market share on all sides by new revs from their competition. Acid is in a beauty contest up against very tough competition, and right when they needed to look good, 4.0 stumbled out on stage drunk and disheveled, rambling on incoherently about midi and plug-ins, and then crashed to the floor. The judges are the consumer, and while they would like to appear to be impartial, it's looking like Acid is going to come away from the pageant with nothing but its perennial lock on "Miss Congeniality".
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: nlamartina Date:10/1/2002 3:32:56 PM Gee Maruuk, where do these 95, 15, and 85 numbers come from? Did you do an e-mail survey or something? Or are you just making your wild assumptions again?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/1/2002 3:47:25 PM I can read. Try it sometime, it will give you a whole new perspective on this product. Or perhaps you'd rather stay delusional. Whatever floats yer boat.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Iacobus Date:10/1/2002 4:46:51 PM I take it you didn't want me to miss your posts? Look, I know and I'm sorry ACID doesn't work for you. What do you want me to do? This is, after all, by and large, a peer to peer support forum. I'm beginning to sound like a broken record when I say this, but nobody from SoFo is obligated to post a response here, but they do anyway, if only to perform moderation duties, not tech support. (I'm assuming when they can.) Like I said, I do try to help. I can't help if I don't know what's in your system (hardware and software). I've tried looking through your posts but haven't found anything, other than you have a P4 2.8 GHz processor. Have you also contacted SoFo? Are you working with them on the issue? I don't mean this to sound pugilistic, but how am I being apologetic for SoFo? If it works for me and other users (by all means stand up and be counted), why should I slam them? Similarly, I don't honestly know the success vs. failure ratio, so I'm not going to speculate on an issue I know nothing about. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: decrink Date:10/1/2002 4:51:25 PM Maruuk you said, "The % of AP user base that can run this mess effectively regardless of the config appears to have gone from about 95% for 3.0 to about 15%. It's all very charming that a lot of the 15 percenters are in here extolling the virtues of 4.0, but the ugly truth is a lot of the 85%..." In relation to my other posts questioning what you said, how do you arrive at these percentages? This is what I meant when I said, "you imply".
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: nlamartina Date:10/1/2002 5:22:49 PM Attaway buddy... Follow up your obvious blunder with a personal attack. Nice response. It's doing wonder to your image. For someone so obsessed with "The Truth", you sure use a lot of fallacies in your reasoning. Weak, weak, weak. Evidence + logic = proof. You've given us neither. Try again.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: SHTUNOT Date:10/1/2002 8:56:05 PM Keep it up dude...Keep it up...LOL!!!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 12:37:43 AM Nick, as you know, I only defend myself, never attack first. But that doesn't fit into your concise, nasty little character assasination scheme, does it Mr. Instigator? You suggest I'm lying about the company. How does .69 sound? Are you now going to announce to us all that the NASDAQ is just a bunch of liers, as well? Yep, it's all a big conspiracy out to make you wrong! hehehe, you crack me up!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 12:39:45 AM decrink--We've made up elsewhere, we're on the same team, let's not quarrel. Things are tough enough as they are, and you're doing good work here.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 12:45:12 AM coolout--Were did you read that 4.0 crashes for me? I certainly never said it. Try to be accurate in your personal attacks, it's much more becoming. Now we all would like to believe that 4.0 will only get better, and I believe it will--assuming the company survives to 5.0. But that is absolutely up for grabs at this point. Is that another "implication" on my part? Do you really want to face the hard facts of the case? Didn't think so. You'd prefer to throw out generalized insults about posters who don't pander to your narrow viewpoint. Have a nice day!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 12:47:24 AM Well said, PHATDRUMS!!! Lay on, MacDuff!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: nlamartina Date:10/2/2002 2:01:29 AM Nick, as you know, I only defend myself, never attack first. So? What’s your point? Where in my post did I suggest that I even cared that you suggested I’m illiterate because I don’t agree with your viewpoint? I don’t, in case you’re wondering. I pointed out the fact that you took a jab at my intelligence because it was a really lame response to my initial challenge, which was to cite the source of your figures. Since you have none, you chose to instead use a fallacy to cover yourself, thus drawing attention away from the subject. This is a very weak response, and it deserved noting. It’s a classic technique of yours. But that doesn't fit into your concise, nasty little character assasination scheme, does it Mr. Instigator? Ah, here’s another poor excuse for a refutation. Again, instead of addressing the issue, you draw further from it by suggesting that big bad Nick is out to get you. By making yourself out to be the victim, you probably hope to gain sympathy points from would-be 'followers' through an emotional argument, yes? Again, the weak response is emotional and off-topic. You’re 0-2. You suggest I'm lying about the company. No, but I’m suggesting you’re blowing these figures out of your rear end. Cite a post where I call you a liar. I’ve called you other things before, but not a liar. So we’ve got an ad hominum fallacy, emotional argumentation, non-topicality, and now false accusations. You just keep drumming them up. How does .69 sound? Are you now going to announce to us all that the NASDAQ is just a bunch of liers, as well? Yep, it's all a big conspiracy out to make you wrong! hehehe, you crack me up! Oh Maruuk, always back to the stock report, since that’s the only shred of evidence you have concerning this issue. Okay, that’s half the equation. Now where’s your logic? Anyone with even a basic understanding of the economy knows that stocks are simply one small variable in an enormous equation, but you tout it as if it were the golden rule. So educate me. Show me why how a stock price reflects the impending doom of a company. Be thorough. Let your superior understanding enlighten us all. Bottom line Maruuk... You tout wild assumptions and baseless logic as fact, and expect us to believe it as fact. Unfortunately for you, anyone with an even rudimentary amount of training in critical thinking can see you’re quite often full of it. Try again. - Nick
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: PHATDRUMS Date:10/2/2002 3:32:41 AM 26:37 AM iacobus i said five machines, a variety of soundcards multiple chip varieties from amd 1.8 ghz to p4 2.8 ghz it matters not one jot two people and the same set up can have two completely different sucess rate two machines in this building are brand new fresh and identical in every way possible and yet in side by side tests acid crashes roughly twice as often (every two minutes as oppossed two four minutes) and remember only acid + sound forge (sometimes removed for testing)+ os explain that! like i said just a touch idosyncratic as for the peer to peer issue there you go again being apologetic for sonic foundry ! if i order fillet steak and i am delivered something more akin to thanksgiving i may not get to see the head chef but i sure as hell would like the waiter to explain tne issue to me some times its just good manners to come out, be honest about facts and problems and these forums are a good place to start and to do a good bit of pr for disgruntled folks out there a little good faith can go a long way remember if you paid $499 would you be pissed if it didnt work? there are bad posts on a variety of audio forums over the web after all bad publicity is bad and if sales fall due to this in the long term that will be bad for all acid users working or not
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: gmorena Date:10/2/2002 7:07:50 AM I Downloaded the Acid Pro 4.0 Software from the site. I installed the software. I ran the program and the first thing it asked me was if I wanted to run the demo or if I had a Serial number. I selected Demo and hit Ok. The program went in to a small presentation screen or image that has the name of the program and some other stuff and it didn’t go any further, it froze. As a matter of fact, it hanged up my computer. I had to reset the machine in order to bring it back to live. I tried to run the program in compatibility mode for W98. It gave me the same problem. Same thing happen with Sound Forge 6.0. (All of it) My hardware: Pentium III 450 mhz 256 md Ram HDD 20 gb HDD 6gb Plexwriter 8/4/32A Creative Pc DVD 6x Ati RADEON Ve - AGP (Graphic Card) Sound Blaster Awe 64 (Sound Card) My Software Windows 2k (Spanish) with Service Pack 2 Directx 8.1b Graphic Card Driver V. 5.13.1.6118 from ATI Technologies Inc – Dated: 09/07/2002 – Runs only with Directx 8.1 or higher Sound Driver: the one provided by Microsoft with the Os. Plextor Driver: The latest Release Dvd Driver: the one provided by Microsoft with the Os. Just to let you know that you are not alone in the world. At least the program ran in your machine...
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: MyST Date:10/2/2002 8:00:22 AM Make sure you have catalyst 23 driver for the ATI card. This was an issue on the Vegas forum. Apparently the catalyst 22 drivers from ATI didn't work well with Vegas and 23 seems to have helped. Maybe it's affecting Acid as well. M
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: gmorena Date:10/2/2002 8:13:40 AM Thanks Myst. I'll try that...
Subject:Thanks MyST Reply by: gmorena Date:10/2/2002 9:19:52 AM I installed catalyst 2.3 driver for the ATI card and the program started. Now I'll abuse it a little bit and see what happens... This is what the forums are for... People helping other people... Thanks again...
Subject:RE: Thanks MyST Reply by: MyST Date:10/2/2002 9:34:34 AM Glad I could help!
Subject:Stock is up Reply by: Polaris20 Date:10/2/2002 1:08:53 PM SoFo stock is up. actually, at .72 cents a share, it might be good to invest in it, because if they rebound with a good patch for 4.0b, their stock would go up.
Subject:RE: Stock is up Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 2:07:07 PM They were at .82 last week, and they're losing 2.5m a quarter, so up .03 today is not exactly worthy of a brass band. But you've identified the one thing that can really make a difference here: (the following is 100% illegal internet stock touting) BUY SOFO STOCK! Put your money where your software is! They're practically giving it away! You want 4.0(b)? You want this POS to actually run on anything less than the 8 billion-dollar neural net that beats Kasparov? Then PAY for it! You think coders are cheap? You think workstations are cheap? Hm, actually, these days, they both are. Well anyway, buy buy buy! And if they send Martha Stewart up the river, you didn't hear this from me! Hey, this boiler room stuff is way easy! Ok men, let's put some more lipstick on this pig!
Subject:RE: Stock is up Reply by: MaxH Date:10/2/2002 2:58:01 PM Yep, You hi-jacked the topic again; you made it to be the centre of attention - again! What was it the guys were discussing before the interuption? Max
Subject:RE: Stock is up Reply by: Maruuk Date:10/2/2002 3:50:23 PM YOU are the interruption. Polaris was talking about the stock price. Let him finish, please!
Subject:RE: Stock is up Reply by: Polaris20 Date:10/2/2002 7:23:20 PM Oops, I guess I hijacked the thread about bitching about AP4. There ya go, carry on.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: coolout Date:10/2/2002 8:06:24 PM "coolout--Were did you read that 4.0 crashes for me? I certainly never said it. Try to be accurate in your personal attacks, it's much more becoming." maruuk, this is what you said AFTER 4.0a was released: "AP 4.0--it is a marginal bug-ridden, dysfunctional beta release at best" "4.0 sucks. It is incredibly unstable and buggy. Let it be known, hear ye hear ye." "dysfunctional" and "incredibly unstable" sounds to me like it's crashing on you... if it works for you stop trying to play daytrader and acually help someone on this forum.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: Jayson Date:10/2/2002 10:32:05 PM I first started playing with programming in C with my Commodore Amiga 2000. Back then, we didn't have alot of memory (4MB Max), and we didn't have really fast processors (Motorola's 68000 series CPU was the fastest at it's time) But what we did have was smart and very creative programming. We used our resources very wisely. We re-wrote our code until it could no longer be optimized. When possible we used machine language to really speed things up. Please everyone understand what is happing here. The more computing power we gain the more we are seeing poor and badly written code. Everything from bad device drivers to bad operating systems to bad software. In the past programmers had to think smart before writting code. You couldn't waste code lines to make an app work. The application code lines had to work the first time around (Patches? We didn't need no stinking patches.), use whatever tricks at the time to improve speed and performance, and it must be small in file size due to limited memory size. Programmers now have endless possibilities, and they show old school programmers like me that they really know how to waste it. Just because you have 1Gb of memory, just because you have 32bit or 64bit processing power, just because you have 1.0,2.0,3.0Ghz CPU clock speeds doesn't mean you have to use every nook and cranny of it to make your program work. In example, I upgraded for your information, to ME, to keep up with the jones. I don't do this anymore. In any bench mark test you'll see that ME is no system improvement over 98SE. No improvement at all. But ME, in file size is larger, with more DLL's added and uses memory poorly. In Reality, XP in benchmark test did not blow out 98SE. The only reason I use ME is because the home networking features work. 98SE has some problems with networking (any real DAW user know this,LoL). I have 5 machines that I use in my home studio. I network them all and use a tool that lets you send MIDI data thru your network to sync all your machines together. I only use AMD chips for they are better than Intel because of there large front side buss (Intels P4 is still using a 133Mhz front side buss, that sucks). My machines is as follows, an AMD K6-II 550Mhz w/Via chipset, 2-AMD K6-III 550 Mhz w/ Via Chipset, an AMD Duron 1.0Ghz w/Via chipset and a AMD 1600XP w/ Via chipset. I've built every machine I have. I have the lastest Via 4 in 1 updates. I have never had a problem out of a Via chipset. I have all my different sound cards upgraded drivers. I use Nvidia cards and have all the lastest updates. I like using Via and Nvidia products becauses there always improving there drivers for the better. Always gainning in performance. I am a registry pro, and have tweaked my system beyond any of your knowlege. I have never had a problem out of any software I've installed in my machines. I've used Calkwalk, Digital Orchestra Professional, and many others. SOFO Acid 4.0 and 4.0a is the first problematic software I have ever load. That DAW standards is BS. Most machines are mutlimedia ready if you know what your doing. The proof is in the demo baby. I'll send anyone a demo of my copywritten songs to prove you don't need a machine built to someone's made up DAW standards to make music on a PC. When I first installed Acid 4.0 it crashed after loading any sample (wav, MP3 or what ever) then hitting the play button. I tried every setting to get it to work. No, luck. When I saw there was a 4.0a ready I quickly downloaded it and installed it. Here's where I said that 4.0a is even worse (I spelled it Worst, to get SOFO and everyone's attention. It seem to work because this has become a very big post). I go to start the program and it crashes. It never starts up, and I get an error message. I can get it to start on my 1600XP machine, but it is slow, locks up and crashes. I've contacted SOFO and they sent me an e-mail sounding like some of you here, implying I don't know what I am doing. Check all your drivers and make sure your using the lastest version SOFO tells me. Get the lastest patches from Microsoft for your OS. All of this sounds like a bunch of BS. My machines are clean and smoke. I don't have things running in the background. I don't have a screen full of icons and a whole lot of crap in the task bar loaded. My machines start up around 98 to 96 percent resouces free. I buy only the best in Motherboads, Sound cards, CPU's and cases w/ power suppies. 20 inch Sony monitor and name brand harddrives and CD-ROM drives. No cheap Hi-Val junk here baby. Final note, this week I saw an ad for a piece of music software made by Magix. Feed up w/ Acid not working and with money to blow I paid $20 after the sale price and rebate for the software. It supported VST2.0 and DirectX plugin's. It had a sampler wav player built in as well as a TB303 bass synth and a electric piano synth. On my AMD K6II-550Mhz machine it works great. On my AMD XP machine it smokes. I have 4 VSTi loaded, 4 or more DirectX plugin's working, the sampler player going w/ wav samples loaded , MIDI data flowing to my keyboard synths and no lock up or crashes. Magix is a German company with great programmers from Germany and the Netherlands. There last version of this software only produced two updates. The software isn't as fancy as Acid but at least the head programmer by the name of Mike from the Netherlands response to everyone's post on there web site. He is willing to listen to all suggestions and has big plans to go head to head with Acid and Sonar XL. I think this is a company to watch. Unlike SOFO, Magix isn't public, so they don't have to answer to there share holders, they only answer to there users. I should ask Mike if he would like to sell me some stock in his company. I'd buy that for a dollar.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST Reply by: acidhed Date:10/3/2002 1:12:10 AM I've been into acid since v1.0 and have just downloaded v4.0a. Well Sonicfoundry has done it again. Acid 4.0a is the bomb, there is nothing like it, yep it works just fine on my system no crashes yet. And even if it did crash, no problem, it creates a temp' backup so i dont loose my stuff, yeah man way to go... My system is AMD athlon 1.7, 512Ram, 40G/HD on a K7S5A MOBO, with Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum, Xp Pro. Jayson, Acid is not what u need if Midi is your thing and i can tell it is. Stick with Cakewalk for midi, it's the best, but for audio it sucks, yep, been there done that. I still use Magix Studio 3.0 as my midi scratch pad, before importing into Logic Audio Platinum or Cubase Vst 32, because i personally thinks it's one of the easiest and quickest editor/ midi sequencers ever made. And Magix Music Maker was the forerunner for Acid, and was and still is an excellent program, but not in the class with acid. The folks at acid will work out the bugs in 4.0 like they did in previous versions, and we'll all be happy soon. Right now I'm into creating 5.1 surround with 4.0 and i'm enjoying every moment, i really admire those guys at Sonicfoundry they deserve a BIGUP!... ACID IS THE BEST LOOP BASED MUSIC AUDIO TOOL ON THE MARKET. DON'T DOUBT THAT! Who needs crappy sounding midi when u can record audio straight to Acid and get your groove on.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0a Even WORST...my 2 cents Reply by: decrink Date:10/3/2002 1:41:18 AM >>decrink--We've made up elsewhere, we're on the same team, let's not quarrel. Things are tough enough as they are, and you're doing good work here.<< Not really Maruuk. I only said that I'd mischaracterized one thing that you'd said and then in your very next post you said it anyway...the ol' 85/15 argument. I don't see us on the same 'team' at all. You have a major bone to pick with SF, I don't. I like their software and you don't seem all that happy with it. I can't tell if you actually bought Acid, I did. You spend most of your time online arguing about everything (I only seem to do that with you these days) and I can't remember many post of yours where you help anyone out. You write extensively but you don't contribute much. You probably feel you do. I try to answer questions from my knowledge base about products, which is as limited as yours. I appreciate others opinions that have expertise with the products, you don't really seem to. No Maruuk, you've got your own thing going and you're drawing everyone in but you're flying solo and I'm headed in other directions. By the way, I was wondering if you could give me some help trying to get six different soft synths running at a time?

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