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Subject:My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Posted by: GP40
Date:9/23/2002 8:57:36 AM
Hey guys. I've been using SF products for years. I have not upgraded to Acid 4 because I wanted you, the seasoned professionals, to try it out first and give your take on it. So, now with the dead line of a cheap purchase approaching: Is the upgrade to 4 worth the money? Does it deliver what it boasts to do? I've read the notes; some of you have been living a nightmare. Would you buy this product again? (no I'm not selling anything here. I just figure with all the different products on the market, why put all my eggs in one basket.) And please Simon, I mean Victors, don't bother posting your opinion. I don't think the server can handle it. Thanks. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: tmasten
Date:9/23/2002 10:05:19 AM
The $99 upgrade is well worth it, but there are only a few days remaining I think. Acid 4.0a with the beta MAudio drivers (if you have an MAudio card) works flawlessly for me on WinXP Pro. If you were an avid user of Acid 3, this upgrade is well worth the price. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: clarksil
Date:9/23/2002 10:29:28 AM
I also upgraded for the 99 price and am extremely disappointed. I am going back to v3 until the problems are fixed. It crashes like mad, etc. Read my post. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: PBSound
Date:9/23/2002 10:30:37 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that if I got this product to work as advertised it would be well worth the 99 spent, heck a lot more if it worked. The difference between V4.0 and V4.0a is quite staggering, you can tell an awful lot of work and effort has gone into the patch. If sonic worked at it with as much vigor for the next update, as they have in the last month, you will have nothing to worry about by taking up on the special offer. My gripe is: I still can’t get over a company of this magnitude would have dreamed of releasing such a buggy application, and for charging customers to Beta test it. If they make this kind of practice, a policy, we can wave a big goodbye to a once popular leader in audio software innovation. Pete |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Neil_Palfreyman
Date:9/23/2002 10:59:38 AM
If you have a need for the new features, $99 is too good a price to miss, but you may have to wait a few more releases before all the bugs are ironed out. Your problem is "are you going to be one of the unlucky ones"? and sadly there's no way of telling until you take the plunge. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: TeeCee
Date:9/23/2002 11:45:18 AM
I've only put about a good 10 hours into it, and only v4.0 so far (I'll be working with v4.0a Tuesday night, 9/24/02). I am using plug-in synths and the automatable FX, with the beta Delta drivers on a fresh Windows XP install. This is the most valuable version of Acid to hit the market. I am not even going to complain about the update frequency of Acid for a good while. Unfortunately, I now do have an issue with Vegas Video 3 and no automatable FX. It's now almost useless to me (because I also own SONAR XL 2.0 and know what can be done with automatable FX). Depending on Vegas Video 4, I could probably have skipped Vegas Video 3. I just like that interface so much, that I would rather use it for mix downs, but not without automatable FX. TeeCee |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:9/23/2002 2:18:41 PM
Would you buy this product again?---Yes most certainly!!! 4.0A hasn't crashed my system yet and thats with me TRYING to duplicate all the ILL fated moves that made it crash prior. Though not perfect yet ofcourse. But I'm at least getting much more work done now. I personally can't think of a time that I got a update for so little money [$99]that was soooo feature rich as 4.0. Try the demo and take the plunge.You can still fall back to using 3.0G if needed...BUT I took peoples advice this time and uninstalled 3.0G THEN installed 4.0A. So I'm not sure if this did a whole lot of good or not. Though users here have reported that it runs much better if 4.0A was the only app installed. Not sure why. TeeCee...Did the same thing you did. Got Sonar 2.0XL for all the missing audio features. Still I would rather use Vegas for all my mixing needs...Keeping my fingers crossed for Vegas 4. Later. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: GP40
Date:9/23/2002 3:13:22 PM
I'd like to take the plunge but I'm working on a project in Acid 3 (really love that product). My concern at this time is: Will installing ver. 4 crap out ver. 3? I've noticed someone stated that un-installing Acid 3 prior to installing Acid 4 might enhance your chances to a successful Acid 4 install. Is this true? I'm not a gambling man but I sure as hell feel like I am now. Thanks for the insight guys. SF gotta love dedicated users like yourselves. (they better). |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: anon
Date:9/23/2002 3:55:32 PM
I've got 3.0g and 4.0a both installed right now and haven't had any problems with it. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: ATP
Date:9/23/2002 4:58:07 PM
PBSound posted : I still can’t get over a company of this magnitude would have dreamed of releasing such a buggy application, and for charging customers to Beta test it. If they make this kind of practice, a policy, we can wave a big goodbye to a once popular leader in audio software innovation. not entirely correct. Steinberg has been using this method of free beta testing since VST 5.0, and despite people's complaints they still seem to have a large customer base. btw, i'm not dissing their software, it rocks, but their PR leaves a lot to be desired. anyway, to the original poster, ask yourself if you're planning to use ACID a lot. if so, 99 bucks is nothing for a professional audio application. even in it's buggy state it works most of the time, and you can be sure more updates will follow. you'll have earned back your $99 soon enough. :) |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:9/23/2002 5:47:13 PM
Acid 4 works great as a loop-based music creation tool with direct-x plugin support. For some reason, this upsets those who are trying to turn Acid into their All-In-One solution (which is probably why it IS so buggy...) The upgrade is worth the money. Be careful, though -- I believe Acid 4 files are not backward compatible to version 3. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Dewaine
Date:9/23/2002 7:57:47 PM
$99 is a great price and if u got the extra bucks I say do it. But, I wish and had my $99 back. I just got an email from Cakewalk today and I can upgrade my Sonar 2.0 to Sonar XL for $129. But, I just don't have the extra cash now......:( I still don't see why people think Acid is such a big deal, it's great for loops but music creation is a lot more than that.... Still, I think it's worth the $99. And when it's actually stable enough for me to use I may try it out on a few projects. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:9/23/2002 11:13:19 PM
I totally believe that arrangement of loops is an art, whether they're your own loops or not. "Pick, paint and play" is really understating it. The beauty behind ACID's UI is that it grows along with your demands. I guarantee that you will grow bored with just painting the same event over and over again. You will find yourself wondering if you can actually rearrange the loop to sound different. (You can via the Chopper.) You'll start adding key and tempo changes. You'll start adding FX and busses. Some envelopes. Do creative techniques like stuttering and subtractive arrangement. Use the automatable FX. Thicken up your sound by duplicating and detuning tracks. I'm just scratching the surface... Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: IanF
Date:9/24/2002 3:07:26 AM
Ive been using Cubase and Fruity Loops for the past year and only recently took the plunge with Acid. I can honestly say that the combination of Acid and Fruity Loops is the most fun Ive had with music apps for a long time. Put together a handful of 'original' loops in Fruity, import them into Acid then chop and twist them up, the music sort of evolves. I found that with Cubase I had to have a clearer understanding of what I was trying to achieve before I started. Im not knocking Cubase its great at what it does, I just find Acid and Fruity to be more creatively inspiring. Just a pity that the Fruit VSTi still does`nt render properly in Acid Ian F |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: GP40
Date:9/24/2002 8:19:12 AM
It looks like I'll go ahead with the plunge. Someone mentioned paying for beta testing. I think MS started that practice first. We all know we've gone along for the ride (remember XP's first release, NO DRIVER SUPPORT) But we all get over it once it worked as advertised. I have Sonar as well. It's powerful but the interface is not as friendly. Thanks for the thoughts guys. Hope to read morte things from you guys soon. (IanF, can you E-mail me? I have questions about FruityLoops) georgeperez7@hotmail.com |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:9/24/2002 9:31:48 PM
I agree with Iacobus -- you can make some good music by putting three or four loops together and painting them for a minute or two, but the real fun begins when you take pieces, rearrange, etc. Detune, fade in and out, duplicate the track and raise it a third to create harmonies here and there. I'm a composer first and foremost. I suck at just about every instrument I've tried to play. Acid allows me to manipulate and arrange -- and with the variety out there, you can experiment in genres and sounds that you wouldn't otherwise without dropping a fortune on boards and sound modules. BTW, this coming week's 8 Pack is one I put together. Be sure to check it out. |
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Subject:RE: My last question to everyone about Acid 4
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:9/25/2002 3:14:06 PM
I'm pretty good at electric guitar (at least I'd like to think I am) but much better with classical guitar. (Don't know why that is; more "fingery" and melodic maybe? :) ) What I love most about ACID is that I can create a backup band without having to resort to a real one. For example, I can't play drums worth a damn, but I do know what I want for a rhythm. (Thank God for music theory.) I can use ACID as a drum machine of sorts in this respect. Of course, this leaves me at a slight disadvantage socially, as I'm not playing with real musicians, sitting/standing here with my setup getting an electronic tan. However, I'm not here to socialize and party anyway. Cool, Jess! I'll keep a lookout for that 8Pack. Iacobus |