Subject:Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Posted by: miwi21

Date:9/12/2002 2:53:30 AM

This is all new to me but I'm thinking of getting a new soundcard for the 5.1 capability and would like to get deeper into midi and loop creation. I'm thinking about getting the Terratec DMX 6Fire 24/96, and also keeping SoundBlaster Live Value card too, if possible. I presently have a Yamaha PSR-270 Keyboard and also thought about getting VSampler. Would I be good to go with this outfit? I know almost nothing but have to start somewhere. Am I on the right track? What else would be needed? Substitutes for choices I've made? Additions?

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: TeeCee

Date:9/12/2002 9:47:02 AM

I suggest you join the PCDAW list on Yahoo! to discuss sound cards. There are a lot of medium level, home studio guys on the list. As for Vsampler, you my want to try the K-v-R forums to discuss plugin instruments. You may want to search each before you ask something that has been discussed thoroughly.

TeeCee

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: miwi21

Date:9/12/2002 6:18:09 PM

Thanks for the info. I do search groups and find out as much as I can. In fact I just found the k-V-r site minutes before posting question, but it's hard to piece all the info into a total picture, that's why I asked question. I don't mean to offend or start flames but your tone is really snobbish. I paid the price of admission to this forum and can ask what I want no matter how stupid. Given the endless discussion about rewire and other extremely detailed questions related to specific situations and configurations I don't think it was out of line.

Maybe there should be a specific thread for dumb midi newbies. We could call it midiNUMBIES. I'm serious. We new ones to midi probably could learn more and more quickly with a good foundation of knowledge which is hard to obtain by reading many forums with highly experienced users.

Again I don't mean to offend. It reminds me of a story of Vince Lombardi's arrival in Green Bay. He was mad after a bad practice and said "Gentlemen, we're going back to basics: THIS IS A FOOTBALL." One of the players responded."Slow down Coach, you're going too fast."

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: dhanjit

Date:9/13/2002 8:55:51 AM

I can vouch for the Terratec card and Virtual Sampler. A new version of Virtual Sampler is due soon (http://www.vsampler3.com/) and the upgrade price should be very reasonable.

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: TeeCee

Date:9/13/2002 9:37:44 PM

miwi21:
Don't be so defensive. I was trying to turn you on to Better Suited areas of the web, not snub you out of this place. The PCDAW mailing list has much more collective info than this site and highly esteemed Sonic Foundry programmer Peter Haller is on the list. Along with other Sonic Foundry reps, Cakewalk reps, the guy that designed much of the Amiga down to the transistor level, IT pros, etc. Ask away here, and look away when given good advice. Why should I care? You've blatantly insulted me for trying to help you. Who's the snob? I didn't say "take your stupid questions elsewhere", you somehow read that...

TeeCee

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: miwi21

Date:9/14/2002 2:35:57 AM

Tee Cee, I hope to end any hard feelings right now by apologizing. I guess some of the tension and angst of 9/11 crept into some of the things I wrote.

As far as your response, "You may want to search each before you ask
something that has been discussed thoroughly." I did read that as get lost until you've researched the area so thoroughly that the question is unecessary. How others read it I don't know. I don't know what it added to the message. That was my feeling at that time.

I'm not looking away from good advice. I'll take every bit of it as far as I can, and thank you for your efforts. I see by your past posts that your much more the helper than the helpee.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's hard to get direct information that ties everything all together. It's similar to trying to get the definition of a new word you've just seen and getting 5 examples of it used in context and also getting 5 additional new words in each example, you get the idea of what it means but just aren't quite sure if you have it, and there's even more to learn. So it becomes necessary despite your best efforts to ask,"What does it mean?"

I guess an example is with the Terratec card. I've searched on Terratec on Google and other groups, downloaded manual from their site, went to various vendor sites, and read and reread Tom's Hardware Guide's review/comparison with SB Audigy, where I find that the card does not have a hardware wavetable synthesizer but use a FM Synthesizer???? So I search on these terms and read many posts on different topics and come up with references to daughter boards and wave tables and XG wavetable, which leads me to Yamaha site, which doesn't really answer my questions on how do you or do you even want to connect some hardware wavetable to it given the fact that you have VSamper or some other softsynth and then the issue of running 2 soundcards at once, which leads to what are the results if I remove my SoundBlaster Live Value for the Terratec regarding the loss of a DSP? and SoundFonts etc. Do you see what I mean? I glean a little bit of info at each site and from each post I read but as I said it's hard to tie everything together. Maybe I'm trying to go too fast as most of these terms are new to me just since the release of Acid 4. I've always wanted to learn more about midi but the release was a new impetus.

At any rate, I'm sure the sources you listed will help. Thank you for trying to help. I hope you'll not ignore future posts of mine. I will work hard to be as knowledgeable as I can before posting and sure could use your continued assistance, and I do apologize.

Sincerly,
Bill

Subject:RE: Acid 4, Yamaha Keys, Terratec Card, VSampler, Good to go?

Reply by: TeeCee

Date:9/17/2002 6:01:42 PM

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As far as your response, "You may want to search each before you ask
something that has been discussed thoroughly." I did read that as get lost until you've researched the area so thoroughly that the question is unecessary. How others read it I don't know. I don't know what it added to the message. That was my feeling at that time.
>>>

I meant at the two new resources I had given you. Search the archives of PCDAW after you are a member and you may have your questions answered.

Medium to high end audio cards do not have any synth. A wavetable synth plays back samples. FM synths synthesize sounds from mathematical models.

XG is one of Yamaha's products or technologies. That would be a good question for PCDAW. You can try here, but the forums here are software specific and you are really stretching outside of the software.

TeeCee