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Subject:what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Posted by: coolout Date:9/7/2002 1:26:32 PM i posted earlier on the issue acid pro 4.0 crashing and generally freaking out. i love acid completely but i question sonic foundry's beta testing of this version. As far as i can tell the system requirements have increased greatly with this version and S.F. is not aware, probably because no one with a "lesser" system tested it. the new audio engine, asio, and vsti support seems to have increased the demands on the processor. I was using 3.0 pro on my "lowly" 500mhz 512mb celeron very well. i have projects with over 50 tracks plus about 5 effects running smoothly with no interruption in 3.0. i buy 4.0, install it and running 15 tracks and effects is a stretch. audio abnormally breaks up when i move sliders, resize, or generally play something plus the screen redraws are not as responsive. i get the same result no matter what audio driver i'm using. maybe i'm wrong, maybe the default prefs are causing the problem, or where my temp file is. anyone else notice this? i think this may be the cause of a lot of issues people are having with acid 4.0 pro.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: waynegee Date:9/7/2002 1:39:24 PM Same here...with about 6-10 tracks of audio, a synth and a couple of effects, me CPU meter is about 90-100% with a sh@tload of breakup. Don't know what's up. As cool and full of promise as 4.0 is, I put 3.0 back on me box for the time being...gots work to do, ya know.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/7/2002 2:31:47 PM HERES WHAT IM GETTING 1. Acid like to shutdown whenever it likes, not warning. 2.Windows gives you a warning that acid will shut down out of no-friggin-where 3.When it does work, at certain points in the project, It flys up to 110%CPU and starts breaking up. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. but im sure theyre running around like chickens with no heads so well be ok in a little bit.. I hope. Or ACID is a doomed product.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/7/2002 9:37:49 PM I definitely notice a performance increase in this build of ACID Pro 4.0. In fact, I had a project that was brought to its knees in ACID Pro 3.0 that played just fine in ACID Pro 4.0. Go figure. Iacobus
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: QuincyJ Date:9/8/2002 10:21:41 AM SF must think every user has a LExus Style DAW. I cant even get the Demo song that somes with Acid4.0 (hybrid 1) to play to the end in ASIO config, without it crashing. Even without ASIO, Acid4.0 still sputters. The mininum system requirements for the upgrade have been grossly Mis-Advertised. Acid4.0 on my present system does not come close to ease of use as did all the other previous SF software programs. I think some of SF top programmers have moved to greener pastures and hosed the code on the way out. Sorry for the "Vent" i have no one else to complain to except this PC and it aint talking back, it's too buzi reBooting.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: aress Date:9/8/2002 10:47:15 AM i have a high end custom built workstation, and some of the problems you have described have been an issue with us also.... i agree, the beta test was either non-exsistent or very poorly done... [i had beta tested every new release of SF stuff for the last few years, and never heard word one about v4.....] still v4 [when it works] is a huge performance upgrade....
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/8/2002 11:16:58 AM A thing to try is to uninstall ACID 3.0 and leave ACID 4.0, maybe even do a complete uninstall/reinstall of ACID Pro 4.0 to see if that helps any. I do not have a bleeding edge system: PIII 800EB MHz 384 MB PC133 SDRAM ATI Radeon 32 MB DDR (AGP) ASUS CUSL2-C motherboard (no integrated audio on this version of the mobo) M-Audio Audiophile 2496 M-Audio USB Duo Windows XP Home Edition There are no devices other than what I need attached to the system. (No printer, scanner, camera, etc.) I do not have any utilities installed, like firewalls, antivirus programs, instant messengers and such. In the same token, nothing runs in the background while I'm using something like ACID Pro or Sound Forge. I keep my hardware drivers as current as possible. Ditto on software. I've done some DAW tweaking via MusicXP.net. Each of my devices has its own IRQ as well. Once in a while, I do format my system, about every 6 months or so, just to clean up any residue left behind from any programs that used to be installed. Iacobus
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/8/2002 11:39:12 AM see thats the weird thing.. with my system, the performance is grreat, until it plays for a while... then it flys up to 100% and clickety cliks away!!!! (And slows down)
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: waynegee Date:9/8/2002 11:59:38 AM mD, you just the man.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: dafonz Date:9/8/2002 12:00:24 PM ''And slows down'' thats the same problem i got... still waiting for the update!!! =(
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: thenoizzbox Date:9/8/2002 12:26:44 PM I just want to report that I've been having precious few problems with ACID 4 myself. The only real annoyance I've come across is very bad latency playing softh synths live. Normal playback of soft synth midi tracks is just fine and that's with the crappy Creative drivers and a SB LIve! Platinum 5.1. As a workaround I play my old trusty Roland/Boss DR-5 live through the midi out and then re-route the midi track to a soft synth (DSL or VSampler to play SoundFonts). The program did freeze 3 times on me this morning while using the Chopper on a MIDI take I'd just recorded but I have little experience with ACID (I upgraded from a little used copy of ACID Music 3.0) and haven't read the manual completely yet so it may be I was doing something wrong. I've been able to play up to 12 tracks of audio, some heavily effected, plus a outside MIDI source (the DR-5 which I use for bass sounds) and soft synths with effects as well and ACID just plays along famously with no stutters, pops, crackle or drop outs whatsoever. My system is not one of the latest and greatest either: AMD Athlon 1 Ghz 256 mb Ram ASUS A7V 133 mobo (yep, with a VIA chipset... never had a problem) ASUS Geforce 2 GTS based 32 mb video card WD 40 gig 7200 rpm ATA-100 hard drive Note that I DO run both antivirus (Norton) and firewall (ZA Pro) sofwtare (this is primarily a Web development machine) and all that under crappy Win 98SE. I can't remember the last time I've seen a BSOD on this machine. I do keep it well defragged and run RegClean, AdAware and other clean up utilities regularly. I know this doesn't help those with problems any but ACID'S problems may not be all ACID's fault. Btw, I did uninstall ACID Music 3 before installing ACID Pro 4. Cheers! Stéphane Bergeron ACID 4.0 is buggy that's for sure but it's far from unusable for me
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: nlamartina Date:9/8/2002 12:43:19 PM I think the "real" problem is that a lot of people are being unrealistic concerning the condition of their computers when trying to get Acid 4 to run. In other words, I think it's less a problem with Acid and more a problem with user behaviors and machine maintenance. More powerful features require more powerful machines to run them on. Everyone should know this (and I second the notion that this version actually performs better than Acid 3). Don't get me wrong, there are bugs, and those are to be expected. Even the best beta teams won't catch every bug in the world, but in most cases, problems are user specific. I mean really, if you're not running your pro audio programs on a separate OS or a dedicated machine, you're asking for trouble. After all the messengers, the e-mail, the ad-ware, the background services, the task icons, the games, the IRQ routing, the fragmentation, the lost clusters, and the hundreds of installations and uninstallations, your hard disk and registry will be an absolute mess. Expecting any program to run flawlessly in an environment such as that is unrealistic. Case in point: I have a dual boot system, with Win2K for pro audio and Win 98 SE for everything else, like games, internet, and word processing. The Win2K system has been tweaked like mad and kept immaculately clean. Even then, I've been doing a lot of experimenting with DX plugins, VSTi's, and other various software packages lately. So Acid 4, while it's been running beautifully, has been crashing more and more, and getting more cranky, to the point of being frustrating and not worth the time. Now at this point, it's very easy to say, "This damn program sucks. The beta testers didn't do their job. This is inexcusable, I don't like Sonic Foundry, they're cheap bastards, blah blah blah..." Etc, etc. But here's where I make a very un-American and grown-up decision and blame myself. I was hacking up my registry by installing and uninstalling DX plugins. I was messing with the environment controls and creating lost clusters on my disk. In fact, all my problems, in and out of Acid, had one common denominator... me. So instead of pouting and passing the blame onto someone else, I took yesterday evening and did a fresh install of Win2k. Voila... Stability returns, most of the problems are gone. Sure, there are still some crashes here and there, but again, it's to be expected, and upcoming fixes will certainly help. The moral of the story kids? Remember that when you point the finger at someone else, three of your own fingers are pointing back at you. Keep your systems healthy, and you audio programs separate from your other stuff. At the very least, do what Stéphane mentioned by cleaning your registry's and running Ad-Aware regulary. I’m not saying all the problems are user specific, but you'll be doing yourselves a favor by narrowing it down to the ones that aren’t. Regards, Nick
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: chaircrusher Date:9/8/2002 1:26:13 PM I beta tested Acid 4, and spent about 2 hours a day on it in the weeks prior to release. Beta testing with a small group doesn't catch everything -- no way it could. There were 5-6 individuals who were very actively flogging Acid 4 and turning up loads of problems you all didn't have to encounter. Just be glad you're dealing with Sonic Foundry. If you have a problem, and you document carefully the circumstances and your PC configuration, it WILL be addressed. Sonic Foundry has also been very good about bringing out bug fix releases frequently. Ever try getting a bug in Cubase acknowledged, let alone fixed? I'm amazed at how much energy people devote to bitching in this forum. If you're really that unhappy, why don't you just ask for your money back? If not, ACCURATELY and CONCISELY document bugs, using the support forms, so that no one else has to deal with it.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: coolout Date:9/8/2002 3:49:18 PM I think some of you guys especially "nlamartina" have the wrong idea of the question I was trying to pose. I wasn't trying to create a bitch session for acid 4.0 or sonic foundry in general, but trying to see if anyone else has noticed the same things I have as informal users. I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS!!! I have my win98se tweaked and maintained to perfection, a good amount or RAM (512mb), separate 40gig 7200rpm hard drive just for audio, and a good (ego-sys) asio interface. I have no problems with acid 3.0 pro, orion pro, or nuendo running smoothly. I am exactly aware of how many effects, vsti, and tracks I can safely run. as I originally stated 3.0 pro rarely if ever crashed even when I started to hit my cpu limit by adding to many effects. it's just that when I open or create a project in acid 4.0 pro the audio gets choppy when I resize windows, save/load a file, or move sliders plus I get some unexpected crashes every now and then. the system seems just to be bogged down. I then close 4.0 and then open or create the same project in 3.0 and everything's smooth again. I just think perhaps the system requirements are a little higher than advertised or my settings within 4.0 are drastically wrong. if someone has a similar setup and 4.0 is running like charm then I’ll engage tech support but i should have a new computer before that happens. I dig acid so much I have a new P4 cpu on the way just to run 4.0 pro. then we'll see if I have any issues. so maybe a better way of asking the question is: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 pro? My equipment? My settings? Or just the program itself?
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/8/2002 4:17:14 PM I think it's less a problem with Acid and more a problem with user behaviors and machine maintenance. More powerful features require more powerful machines to run them on I dont think this applies in this situation, because many users who seem to be religiously clean in there systems have the same problems as well as users who dont seem that way. I defrag almost every day and all that stuff... Still, it love to slow down to nothing! The moral of the story kids? Remember that when you point the finger at someone else, three of your own fingers are pointing back at you. Keep your systems healthy, and you audio programs separate from your other stuff. At the very least, do what Stéphane mentioned by cleaning your registry's and running Ad-Aware regulary. I’m not saying all the problems are user specific, but you'll be doing yourselves a favor by narrowing it down to the ones that aren’t. good pointers here yes, but its a little weird when EVERY OTHER PROGRAM i have ;) runs perfect, and ACID is a sinking ship. I will post up and tell ya if those I deas work tho
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/8/2002 4:20:06 PM Just be glad you're dealing with Sonic Foundry. If you have a problem, and you document carefully the circumstances and your PC configuration, it WILL be addressed. tru tru I LOVE YOU SONIC FOUNDRY!
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: jjancik Date:9/8/2002 4:20:35 PM I opened projects that I created in 3.0, and without using any new 4.0 functions, it stutters and runs out of resources every 3-5 secs. I have ran 40 tracks with all types of plugins with 3.0, but not in 4.0. I have a Win2K dedicated tweeked machine for A/V with 768 megs of ram, Echo Mia audio and AMD 850 processor. Unhappy... :(
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: nlamartina Date:9/8/2002 4:30:29 PM Coolout, you misunderstand. I wasn't accusing you of starting a bitch session. The people I directed that ambiguous comment to know who they are. I'm merely suggesting that some people need to take better care of their systems before they expect Acid 4 to run properly. If you take care of your system (and it appears you do), good for you. If you're still experiencing bugs, fine. Document them well so they may reproduced and the rest of us will try to see what we can offer. Your post was a good and needed question. My response was not directed at you specifically though. No offense intended, Nick
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: decrink Date:9/8/2002 6:18:21 PM Gee, its hard for me to say what the REAL problem is with Acid 4 because since I downloaded the demo (I really WAS going to pay the $99 to upgrade from 3.0) I've had nothing but crashes. Every other SF program I have works great. I try Acid 4 demo one evening and it bombs on Midi stuff, simple stuff, out of the blue, when I push it. I just don't have time to work out the bugs, I have some major video projects to finish. Do you think they'll release a bug fix before the end of Sept. when the special pricing ends? I just can't see spending $99 the 'waiting' to see if the problems are addressed.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: coolout Date:9/8/2002 8:14:19 PM nlamartina, that a was pretty cool response...thanks. i come into contact with a lot of musicians, d.j.s, and general geeks all the time. when discussing software i always tell them about the sheer power of acid pro. no offense to sonic foundry, but i think i'll suggest folks get 3.0 pro until the next update. I now understand why the download was only $99.99. if i'd paid $250-300 i would be very upset right now. i'm not because i think the improvements to acid pro ROCK. i love the new fades and envelopes. really powerful stuff. with the boxed version of 4.0 coming out most dealers will be dropping down the prices of the boxed 3.0 quite a bit. for people who've never really used acid much the more stable version would probably make a better first impression. next question: How does one become a Sonic Foundry beta tester? (please don't say pay $99.99...LOL)
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: zendar Date:9/8/2002 8:40:29 PM just nipped in to say LOL at quincyJ's post!! haha!
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: LarryAW Date:9/8/2002 9:34:32 PM I never had a problem with Acid Pro 2 or Acid Pro 3, except for the fact that Acid Pro 3 never really liked my Ego-Sys Waveterminal 2496, so I used SoundBlaster Live Platinum exclusively, and now the Audigy Platinum. Acid Pro 4 doesn't like either one and crashes 'whenever' I try to record even a single track. I just uninstalled Acid Pro 4 and I definitely am not going to reinstall it until there is an update. I ran out of patience searching for the answer. It isn't a computer problem that I can find. I have a Dell Dimension 8200 at 1.9GHz with 1 GB RAM, Windows XP, and as mentioned above, both the Ego-Sys Waveterminal and Audigy. All of my audio is on a separate 80GB hard drive at 7200rpm. I disable my network, antivirus, and firewall whenever I record and I defrag constantly. Acid Pro "3" works very well with this computer, as does Cubase SX, Sonar 2 XL, Cool Edit Pro 2, Ableton Live, Sound Forge 6, WaveLab 4, Reaktor 3, Reason 2, Fruity Loops 3.56, n-track 3, Orion Pro, Absynth, VirSyn TERA, and a lot of other audio programs and VSTi's. I have always thoroughly enjoyed using Acid Pro and that is why I immediately (i.e. same day it was out) upgraded to Acid Pro 4; it certainly wasn't because I needed to. If there is anything wrong with my setup, it isn't bothering any other audio or non-audio application that I currently have installed. Like everyone else, I was really looking forward to Acid Pro 4. Although I am sorely disappointed at this point, I have no doubt that Sonic Foundry will get this fixed for those of us who have these problems. I do not know why some of us have these problems while others don't. It is really strange to me because Acid Pro 3 never once crashed on me with with the Sound Blaster or the Audigy -- but Acid Pro 4 is an ambitious upgrade. I will sent in a report to their tech support detailing my problems. However, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Larry
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: nlamartina Date:9/8/2002 9:42:06 PM Larry, What's the exact behavior of Acid when you get the record crash? Does the program just disappear, does it freeze solid, or is there an error message? Are you using MME or ASIO? Also, have you tried the kX-Project drivers for the Sound Blaster? - Nick
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: antistar Date:9/9/2002 6:48:27 AM It is easy to push the fault to a dirty user, who never defragments his computer, etc... There are definitely unhandled pointers and memory leak producing program code in ACID. It has to be fixed. I have tested ACID in 6 different hardware environments on my computer, and none of them worked without troubles. The issue is that most of the error cases appear with the normal usage of ACID, and not when one pushes it to the limit. I'm just disappointed in a way as people (rest of my band) are waiting for remixes, which I wanted to produce with ACID 4.0, and I can't do them, thou I promised them... you know it just affects my band's prospect to become stars... :-)))))
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: QuincyJ Date:9/9/2002 7:14:19 AM **********************"This Gettin Ridiculous"****************************** Most of us didn't just walk in off the street, load up Acid4.0 on any off the shelf PC. I been running Acid2.0 thru Acid3.0, Soundforg4.0 thru Soundforg6.0, Vegas Audio, Vegas Video, Video Factory, all versions of FruityLoops, ALbelton LIve/w REWIRE, all Versions of N-TRACK, AUdioMAster multiTRack, Cooledit, Host of plugins from Waves Gold to the lowly Sharewares and VSt plugins, Entry level CUbasis, Even the Free Pro-tools lite ran. I have many more audio programs and not once did i have to make an itemized list of my set-up for Techs to shift thru determining if i had enough Horse Power. Every DAW setup is Different and Diff as the people using them. SF programmers Know what the problems are. It appears we are experiencing Something much Bigger than mere Code Debugging. If it's a Cash flo problem then i'll donate another $99.95. Just make Acid4.0 as SMov as it's Siblings.Why build a Mercedes-BenZ Daw Jus to run ACID4.0 then come up on this Forum and Brag bout How much HorsePowr i'm runnin? it would be mo cost effective if i went dedicated DAW instead and stay with Acid 3.0
Subject:Scrubs go home Reply by: waynegee Date:9/9/2002 10:13:53 AM yeah, but most of us aren't as cool or professional or knowledgable or serious about our music/gear as some of us here on the forum(who shall remain nameless but aren't having ANY problems and their systems are perfectly structured and flawless) so hopefully SoFo will pay some attention to us newbies and peons when we post our (obviously) misguided posts/whining about crashes, bugs and CPU drain. You know us scrubs are just pointing fingers and deflecting the REAL problems(which is our sh@t is raggedy)...whew...This forum gets weirder every day...
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:40:16 AM Does the program just disappear, does it freeze solid, or is there an error message? over here, all of the above, randomly.
Subject:yo waynegee Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:42:47 AM yeah, but most of us aren't as cool or professional or knowledgable or serious about our music/gear as some of us here on the forum(who shall remain nameless but aren't having ANY problems and their systems are perfectly structured and flawless) so hopefully SoFo will pay some attention to us newbies and peons when we post our (obviously) misguided posts/whining about crashes, bugs and CPU drain. You know us scrubs are just pointing fingers and deflecting the REAL problems(which is our sh@t is raggedy)...whew...This forum gets weirder every day... then explain why Acid 3 works fine. and ACID 4 doesnt at all. OR explain why Cubase SX can work just fine, when ACID 4 doesnt at all.. How come EVERY other program on the block works JUST FINE. But ACID 4, is a sinking ship. sure there are some scrubs out there, and some pros, but I try to keep my system pretty well organized... and ACID 4 STILL SUX 4 now
Subject:oh yeah, also ---- Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:44:22 AM that don't sound good. Acid 3.0 and Sonar it is...for the time being, anyway. how can u say this then?
Subject:one more for my friend waynegee Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:46:32 AM With Acid Pro 4.0, my CPU usage shoots up to about 90-100% with 6 tracks...but with Acid Pro 3.0 (same machine), it's only about 33-40% with 47 tracks. Anyone else getting this kinda mileage? What gives? you chalk THIS up to system instability?? thats ignorant , IMHO no offense plz!!! when a good company (not saying that SOFO isnt) upgrades a product, Like waves for instance, lets see what happend with waves plugins. Rverb for instance used to take up 30% EACH on my CPU. that was version 3.2 Now it takes up 7% at the most. version 3.5 improved greatly in performace. ALL OF THERE 3..5 plugins had a minimal of 35% performance increase. they also added new features, like VST waveshell and Dx automation.... Fruityloops~!!!! they added SO MUCH STUFF in 3.5 that its hard to list. The performance didnt change at all, which is alot better than getting worse. Ok. Acid is not a plugin, and NOT fruityloops. But a performance increase is great, but at least the performance NOT GETTING WORSE would be acceptable.
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:52:33 AM yeah, but most of us aren't as cool or professional or knowledgable or serious about our music/gear as some of us here on the forum(who shall remain nameless but aren't having ANY problems and their systems are perfectly structured and flawless) why dont you name them?? or at least share there secrets with us so we could improve out SH&*ty systems???
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: LarryAW Date:9/9/2002 12:13:06 PM Hi, I have this problem with Acid Pro 4 with all drivers available for both sound cards. When I record, the program (and cursor) freezes within two seconds. I have to hit Ctl+Alt+Del to get out of the program. However, there is no way I can remove the driver which it still listed under processes, so I have to restart my computer each time or I will get the BSOD if I use another audio program. Since I have absolutely no problem with any other program with both sound cards (except Acid Pro 3 where I can only use the Audigy), and although I have a link to the "Official kV Project Site" in my bookmarks, I am reluctant to change drivers and risk screwing up other programs which work extremely well. I am one of the few, apparently, who has not had any problem with soundblaster native drivers. I can play softsynths using the Waveterminal 2496 without any problems, I just can't record anything with either card. I am very surprised that I have problems with the Audigy, because SoundBlaster drivers always worked well with Acid Pro 2 and Acid Pro 3. Sound Forge 6 is very stable with both of my sound cards. I can use VSTi's with other programs, so at this point I am going to gladly use Acid Pro 3, and hope this problem, whatever its cause, will be fixed with future updates. Larry
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: SHTUNOT Date:9/9/2002 12:17:11 PM Please don't use Cubase SX as an example of a "stable" app because your all forgetting how "ROCKY" a road it was to get to that point. IE: Cubase 5.0 thru 5.1 THEN SX. If you add up all the negative posts+all the "doom and gloom" posts+all the "you'll be out of business..." posts X ten to the Nth power you'd come close to how BRUTAL cubase.net was with the release of 5.0. PERIOD. You stated many examples of programs+plugins getting better performance with each upgrade ie: waves 3.2-3.5[?] but forgot to mention how LONG it took to get them to code their plugins to do so. If it wasn't for companies like Wavearts and Universal Audio you'd all be still using less optimized plugins IMHO. Could everyone please leave out lines like "ACID 4 STILL SUX" for version 4.0d "IF" it still does. I think that it would make more sense then than as of right now. Again...its not like you can't fall back to version 3 to get your work done.[Unless you just[and only] bought version 4 then I'm sorry] If it means me being a "paid beta tester" or whatever for my $99 dollar blah blah then I except in thanks for how much MORE money I've made using this product and the others as well. I would NOT like to see this happen again[ie:vegas 4!!!!!!!] so could sofo PLEASE let us help beta test ALL new releases!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say again...PLEASE let us help beta test ALL new releases!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets not have this happen again. Later.
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: LarryAW Date:9/9/2002 12:39:59 PM I am not going to bang on anyone here because of this problem. My system is new and pretty powerful, so I don't think this problem is the result of an underpowered system for other users with this same problem. I have no idea: - Why Acid Pro 3 loves the native Audigy drivers, but not Waveterminal drivers. - Why Acid Pro 4 hates both. - Why Sound Forge 6 likes both. - Why some people have no problems with Acid Pro 4, while some (many?) of us do. - Why I can use Creative's native drivers with Audigy/Soundblaster Live without problems (except for Acid Pro 4) and why most can't. Sound Foundry is an excellent company and I prefer Sound Forge 6 to Wavelab 4 (despite some of Wavelab's rich features) and Acid Pro to pretty much everything else, which is why I purchased the Acid Pro 4 download version as soon as I got the email that it was released. The number of hardware configurations out there is infinite, so I am not surprised that some of us have problems. I am confident that Sonic Foundry will find the cause and get us an update as soon as they possibly can. My only request: Please have a public beta for future versions of Acid Pro like you did for Sound Forge 6. It was my fault, however, for not trying the Acid Pro 4 demo first. And, I didn't because of the stability of Acid Pro 3 and Acid Pro 2 -- live and learn. Larry
Subject:Jacose, my man... Reply by: waynegee Date:9/9/2002 1:25:43 PM Hey man, I agree with you, there are others that this "tongue-in-cheek" message was meant for...they know who they are. Supposed to be sarcastic...sorry for the misunderstanding, bro.
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: waynegee Date:9/9/2002 1:29:28 PM http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=122438&Page=0 http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=122525&Page=0 I just resent the inference that any of us are not up to snuff, that we know our gear and it's limitations or that we don't have our systems operating properly. That is the message I was getting from these kind of posts. I'm sure one will say that's not what was meant, but you have to be careful what you say, yes?
Subject:RE: Jacose, my man... Reply by: nlamartina Date:9/9/2002 2:14:08 PM Ah, you were being sarcastic. My feelings aren't hurt now. =) I just hope everyone understands that us cough "cool professionals" cough aren't accusing anyone of lying or being stupid or anything. I've only suggested that taking more care with system setups could help us narrow down the "real" problems, many of which seem to be mentioned here. I don’t deny there are bugs in this first version. I’ve have snags here and there too, but I’ve managed to narrow them down to reproducible behavior and/or fix them. As an experiment though, perhaps some of you could try to make a second installation of Win 98 SE, or Win ME, or Win2k, or whatever you're using to see if things improve. I'm not a professional, nor am I that cool (wink, wink), but I do know a lot of computers. Been using them since before I could write my own name. Perhaps that gives me a bit of an advantage when dealing with cranky computers, since I can diagnose and prevent problems based upon a very small amount of information. That and I'm sure it gives me more patience than most. So instead of being cynical, I'll just offer help, like always. When it runs beautifully, Acid Pro 4 is a fabulous program. I'd hate for anyone to miss out. Regards, Nick
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/9/2002 2:20:12 PM Hmmm... I don't have to be careful on what I say, mostly because I just don't give a sh-t one way or the other. wink Seriously, I was just trying to state the fact that I'm really not having any life stopping issues with ACID Pro 4.0. I posted my system specs and what's installed in my system just for the purpose of comparison. Every DAW user knows that barebones is the way to go when one's dealing with digital audio. The less you have, the better. Now, I know that there are others who have a similar setup who are experiencing crashing and such with ACID 4.0. However, that doesn't exactly help me help you. (This is, after all, a peer support forum.) Always posting what you have for hardware in your setup as well as what's installed for software and a brief history of how long you've had your OS installed does. For example, if one has had Windows installed on his/her system for awhile (say, about a year or so), I'd seriously suggest a complete format of one's system and just install ACID on it (once you get the OS up and running again, of course) and see if it works. I'd suggest a complete format in any case. The fact is, the longer Windows is installed over time, the more residue that accumulates (like leftover Registry entries from uninstalled programs), potentially even to the point of causing errors in other programs. I'm just trying to help out, is all. Iacobus
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: nlamartina Date:9/9/2002 3:06:08 PM Larry, After it records for two seconds and freezes, is there a corresponding WAV file present on the disk? Ie, does it show evidence that it's actually recording before it freezes? Also, does the sound freeze as well, meaning does it just loop what's in the buffer or does the sound plain stop? Finally, what kind of drivers are you using when it quits (ASIO, MME, etc)? - Nick
Subject:Sensitive.. Reply by: waynegee Date:9/9/2002 9:29:41 PM maybe I had a little too much meat lately...
Subject:no offense meant Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:23:10 PM sorry m8, I hope I didnt come off as snobbish... seems like ive ruined your STATEMENT!!!! IM SO SORRY!!!! (Jacose shrinks into corner) no really, sorry.
Subject:RE: Jacose, my man... Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:24:47 PM yeah, Im just trying to get thru this... Im no studio genuis, and I have a decently good computer, but its rough, especially with a program that is very buggy right now. ;)
Subject:yo shutnot! Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:26:50 PM sorry m8, I didnt mean anything bad by my post, plz take it with a grain of salt, but you are right to an extent.... Im just saying, product upgrades are supposed to make a product BETTER, not worse. ;( (jacose the loser)
Subject:RE: Scrubs go home Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:27:36 PM My only request: Please have a public beta for future versions of Acid Pro like you did for Sound Forge 6. It was my fault, however, for not trying the Acid Pro 4 demo first. And, I didn't because of the stability of Acid Pro 3 and Acid Pro 2 -- live and learn. right oon!!!!
Subject:RE: Sensitive.. Reply by: Jacose Date:9/9/2002 10:28:53 PM nah dude, in the right context you are understood and you are correct.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: freshmike Date:9/10/2002 7:41:50 PM I will have to disagree. Sure, more functions means more power needed, but when an Acid 3.0 track that played perfectly cannot be played with Acid 4.0 without glitches, and without finally getting stopped, there is a problem that does not involve any new functionality. Cheers.
Subject:RE: what's the REAL problem with Acid 4.0 Pro? Reply by: freshmike Date:9/11/2002 3:37:07 PM The real problem is that version 4.0's main upgrade was VSTi handling (what is MIDI good for without it?) and it simply doesn't work. It is not 100% VST 2.0 compliant, it does not feature a standard GUI for GUIless VSTis, it does not sync to BPM, and it crashes way too often. Think about it. That's the real problem(s).

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