Need to JOIN events (not just group)

Panic wrote on 9/3/2002, 12:50 PM
I need to join events, not just group them. Is there a way to do that? The manual says nothing about it as far as I know. I need to join together two events, since I need to do a fade that starts at the beginning of the first event and continues into the next, something which I havent managed to do yet - hence I need to join the two events...

Help? Please? :-)

-Panic

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ibliss wrote on 9/3/2002, 1:23 PM
Try this:

1) right click on a section of the video track that doesn't have an event on it. From the pop-up menu go to 'Insert/Remove Envelope' and choose 'Compsite Level'.
2) A blue line will appear running along the top edge of the video track, for the entire length of the project. This is the Comsite Level Envelope.
3) Add a Point (or 'Node') to the Envelope and the beginning of the first Event, or wherever you want the fade to start, by one of three methods:
a] double click on the envelope at the place you want to add the Point
b] hold down Shift and single click on the envelope.
c] right click while the mouse is over the envelope and choose 'Add Point'
4) Add another Point where you want the fade to finish.
5) If it is a fade in, drag the first Point right down to the bottom edge of the track.
If is's a fade out, drag the second Point right down to the bottom edge.

You can add as many Points as you wish, and drag them to any place in time or level, but not past other Points. Try it and you'll quickly see what I mean.

Mike K
ibliss wrote on 9/3/2002, 1:25 PM
Oh, and once you have created a fade using the Envelope, you can change the shape of it for faster or slower type fades, in the same way you would with the fade on Events themselves - right click on the fade and choose a new shape.

Mike K
jetdv wrote on 9/3/2002, 1:56 PM
You could also select the two clips and choose "Render to New Track". This will give you a single, combined clip which you can then manipulate.
Panic wrote on 9/3/2002, 3:37 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! :-)
CDM wrote on 9/3/2002, 4:47 PM
I believe (and I've asked for this feature once before) that this is impossible to implement in Vegas due to how Vegas works with media files. Events are not pieces of media. They are the containers for the media and so if you think about trying to join two events of different media, you're asking the event to suddenly reference two media files at the same time, which is not possible without rendering. Is this right, SF?
Panic wrote on 9/3/2002, 7:25 PM
My problem is that I have split an event in several pieces, and now I regret doing it ;-) So the events I want to join originate from the same event, hence from the same media file. I can't see why that should be a problem...
HPV wrote on 9/3/2002, 7:51 PM
My problem is that I have split an event in several pieces, and now I regret doing it
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Vegas is non-destructive. That means you could drag the edges of just one of the split events and regain the full clip/event. Watch for the notches in the top of the clip that show the start and end of the origianl event.

Craig H.
Chienworks wrote on 9/3/2002, 7:53 PM
Panic: are the splits done to get rid of material you don't want? If the events you're joining together are continuous (no time missing at the split), then you can delete the second event and drag the right edge of the first event out to cover the same time. Then you would have only one event.

If you split in order to remove parts of the clip, then obviously this won't help.
wcoxe1 wrote on 9/3/2002, 8:25 PM
Now THAT is why I read these threads. Several REALLY good ideas, one after the other.

Go, guys, GO!
fongaboo wrote on 9/3/2002, 11:16 PM
This brings to mind one of the points I brought up int he VV vs FCP thread: nesting of project files. FinalCut Pro allows this, where you can lay out multiple events into one sequence and then lay that sequence file on the timeline of a completely different sequence (sequences being like veg files in FCP). The basic equivelant would be being able to make a VEG file with multiple pieces laid out together, then create a completely separate VEG file which contained the other VEG file on the timeline as an event in that VEG file.. The idea would be that you could apply a fade or event FX or anything to that 'event', which in the background is actually a whole timeline of events unto itself.

Granted you can accomplish this by rendering to an AVI or a new track, but the beauty of the ability to nest would mean that it would be non-destructive and any changes to the nested VEG file would be inherited by the parent VEG file.

Just came to mind, because this would allow another approach to applying things to multiple events.
Panic wrote on 9/4/2002, 9:50 AM
Thanks a lot everybody! I am a lot wiser now :-)

Oh and btw, the split was actually done as a misstake that I only became aware of after doing several tedious editing, so I couldn't ctrl-z it. And they where continous in time, so the "delete number one, extend number two" trick did it for me ;-)

Former user wrote on 9/4/2002, 10:13 AM
Another way to do this kind of fade, (the others work well, just another suggestion).

Add a video track. Add a BLACK generated media for as long as you want to fade. Do a FADE OUT on the Black media which will reveal the video on the tracks below.

This is a good trick if you have several tracks with titles or graphics and want to fade in or out everything together.

Dave T2
MixNut wrote on 9/4/2002, 11:41 AM
It would still be nice to have a "glue" function, like SADiE, that allows you to enact the "glue" state, click on the cut, and put the clips back together. This is much faster than deleting one end of the entry, re-dragging, fixing your top or tail fade back the way you had it, etc.

The "glue" feature comes in really handy in the following scenarios:

1) I want to copy a *piece* of a long entry and place it somewhere else. So, I cut the existing entry, copy the piece into the paste buffer, then grab the glue and put the pieces of the original entry back together.
2) I accidentally slice my entire 22 track EDL while zoomed in on one track and not seeing that others are grouped or selected...Then I save. Oops!

What say ye, SF?
Tyler.Durden wrote on 9/4/2002, 12:15 PM
Hi MixNut,

You might try this for copying a segment of an event:

Click on the long event you want to copy a piece of, drag the select loop region tool to highlight the piece you want to copy, Ctrl-C... then paste wherever.

For more accurate selecting, you might try holding the shift key while using the right/left arrow keys to create the loop region.

HTH, MPH
wcoxe1 wrote on 9/4/2002, 1:42 PM
Keep it up, guys. This is where it is.