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Subject:Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Posted by: Beatmaster_J
Date:8/29/2002 11:13:25 PM
If you could have Acid pro 4.0 and one more piece of equipment, what would it be? Why? |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/29/2002 11:41:45 PM
One more piece is a bit tough. I could do it in two... 1) A MIDI controller keyboard. After all you don't want to input music using a mouse do you ? 2) A versatile soft synthesis package. If, say I had US$1000 to spend then I'd pick a selection of synths and a sampler, but since you want just one, then I'd go for Native Instruments Reaktor. It can do wav mangling, basic sequencing, various forms of synthesis, drums, etc. Although a bit CPU heavy, it can also work standalone and output to wav ready to drop direct in Acidpro4. With any spare change I'd hop over the Dashsynthesis and buy a package deal of instrumenst for another $100 or so. If I could have a selection of software then I'd maybe go for Absynth, Junglist, Kontakt, Fruity - but it depends what style you want to do . . . |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Neil_Palfreyman
Date:8/30/2002 2:31:43 AM
Fruity Loops...cos Acid 4 with Fruity as a VSTi will be THE killer combination. (Wait till they get it working first though!) ...and its cheap - at $99 you may be able to aford a good VSTi synth (Pentagon I, maybe) as well. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Rockitglider
Date:8/30/2002 6:10:44 AM
Hello, Still need an external MIDI keyboard though. But you could also get Native Instruments FM-7 Synth or Pro-53 Synth, Both are exellent, there is also a new one out called Absynth but I don't own it yet, so can't recomend it at this time. See ya, Rockitglider |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:8/30/2002 6:49:41 AM
As always, I'm going to say the same thing I always say-- get REASON! Like I tell everyone, the learning curve is a little steep, but it is well, well worth the effort. You can usually pick it up for around $270... and it's money well spent! You can't tie it directly to Acid at this point (which is a bit of a shame), but you can create loops, export them as .wav files & drop them right into Acid. Acid is usually spot-on when stretching them, although you'll have to define the tempo. As for needing a midi keyboard... is that really necessary? Forgive me-- I come from a video background, not an audio background-- but couldn't you just use the Acid step sequencer with any VSTi? Sure, it's kind of the long way around, but that's how I work... I can't play any instrument to save my life... I dunno... it's worked out well for me! |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/30/2002 8:39:34 AM
I'm old school, where you actually "play" at least part of your music. But you're right, it's not really essential these days. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:8/30/2002 12:01:57 PM
I already have ACID Pro 4.0, but a double humbucker ESP, Schecter or Ibanez guitar would be nice. Just because. >:o) Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Beatmaster_J
Date:8/30/2002 2:00:42 PM
Thanks for the reply. Could you tell me the name of a good midi controller keyboard and what is a good package deal from dashsynthesis? There website is down at the moment. Also, why would i need another software if i have acid? Is there a way to get Native Instruments reaktor for less than $600? Jay |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:8/30/2002 3:28:36 PM
I've heard good things about the Oxygen8 from M-Audio. Pretty simple looking but if all you need is a MIDI controller... The reason (heh...heh..."reason") why you could want something like Reaktor is just to have more creative tools available to you. ACID basically provides the means to an end. Give it your custom-made loops, and let it do the rest. I've seen Reaktor retail no more than $500 USD. Is that US Dollars for the $600 price you stated? I've seen it for about $430 through places like Musician's Friend. Beware, though: Just like most computer software through a retail chain, once you buy it, get it and open it, it's yours. (I doubt you will want to return it anyway.) HTH, Iacobus |
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Subject:old school here too ;)
Reply by: Jacose
Date:8/30/2002 3:30:34 PM
I think its important to play SOMETHING, but you dont HAVE to, it just adds an element of imperfection that is truly pleasing to the human ear. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: anon
Date:8/30/2002 4:13:54 PM
I've been checking out the Oxygen 8 and it looks good. I've also been considering Evolution's similar (in function and price) model the 225C. Here's a link: http://www.evolution-uk.com/ They both look good for what I want to do. I'm just trying to get some feedback from users of both before I make my decision. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:8/30/2002 4:47:45 PM
-- I'm old school, where you actually "play" at least part of your music. (*sigh*) I'm not arguing 'new' school vs. 'old' school... to be perfectly honest with you, I don't care either way. A step sequencer just happens to work out well for me-- I don't play any instrument, and have no formal music training... but I'd still like to get a little more out of Acid than strictly rearranging library loops. I think of Acid as I imagine that I'd think of any instrument-- a tool of whoever is using it. All I meant with the sequencer question was that perhaps whoever asked the question was looking for a solution, in the event that he/she doesn't play an instrument. Hopefully that makes sense! David. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/30/2002 6:44:05 PM
Sure! My comment was only because I'd made an assumption that people use keyboards to play, but I realise this isn't true anymore. I think Reaktor is a good choice because it's a powerful all-in-one solution. Plus you can start simple with the pre-built synths, then gradually move up to customising instruments, then perhaps building your own. If you're going to get a controller and some soft-synths then I hope you've got a good PC and soundcard to make it worthwhile. Dash has been having host problems for a couple of weeks. Once you're on there are plenty of screen shots and desciptions. Most synths are $10 but packages are up to 50% off. Good luck. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: analoguekid
Date:8/30/2002 9:16:55 PM
I had the evolution 225 and didn't care for it...going on the premise that you're using soft synths, all you need is midi in/out. thru would be desirable to run outboard hardware, but for the sake of argument, not necessary. So....you can get Casio (read child's toys) with midi ports...I just picked one up for $60.00 US...download the linplug Free Alpha (free! www.linplug.com) and get an August copy of Computer Music for $12.95 US. The august issue has a bunch of soft synths like cheese machine and the linplug Gakstoar Alpha. That should be more than enough to keep you busy learning wtf all you can do. and with a $400.00 budget you could go out and score a copy of Reason 2 and really get cookin...I hope that this helps. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: nlamartina
Date:8/30/2002 9:26:57 PM
Native Instruments Absynth with academic discount: $150 M-Audio Oxygen 8 MIDI controller at Musician's Friend: $100 The look on my face when I started tweaking Absynth in Acid via realtime MIDI: Priceless Ah, MIDI is such a beautiful thing. Yeah, technically two pieces of equipment, but you get the point. - Nick |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:8/30/2002 10:23:18 PM
Native Instruments Absynth with academic discount: $150 Hey... where did you find Absynth with an academic discount?! Some of us are still students and would REALLY (let me stress that again-- REALLY) like to know... Thanks! David. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Beatmaster_J
Date:8/31/2002 12:54:07 AM
I'd love to know where you get the student discount on the native instruments absynth. J |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: nlamartina
Date:8/31/2002 1:33:07 AM
David and J, Heh, yeah, I couldn't find any academic resellers either, so I tried contacting NI directly to see if they had any. Turns out they sell to academic institutions/students/faculty directly. All you have to do is fax them a copy of your student ID, along with ordering information, address, etc. E-mail me at hazed_red@hotmail.com and I'll forward you the PDF with pricing and instructions on what to do. - Nick LaMartina |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: IanF
Date:8/31/2002 5:29:07 AM
Well I come from a Cubase Fruity Loops background Ive only just started using Acid but the essentilas from me would be a midi keyboard and Sonic Synth. I Have a small 2 octave Evolution Keyboard similar to the Oxygen 8 and even with my negligible keyboard skills I find the mini keyboard cramped and difficult to use. Reaktor is excellect if youre a tweaker but if you want realistic Sounds of real instruments out of the box at a not to bad price 249 dollars then Sonic Synth is the beast for you. Its worth the price just for the Pianos and Organs. Other soft synths that I use the most are: Phatmatk Pro LinPlug Delta III Id also like to but Pentagon but Im all spent up. Ian F |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: PHATDRUMS
Date:8/31/2002 8:57:47 AM
get a sampler a hardware version itll save you life one day akai or emu ! |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:8/31/2002 4:26:32 PM
I suggest you get yourself a pc that will run it properly. |
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Subject:RE: Acid + 1 Piece of Equipment. What would it be + why?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/31/2002 9:15:38 PM
Welcome to the never-ending upgrade path of: PC > host software > plugins > PC > host software > plugins > PC . . . |