Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news -ACID Product Family

Subject:Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news Posted by: Djipy Date:8/12/2002 7:37:55 AM I read that Acid pro 4.0 won't replace any external MIDI editor like Cubase or Sonar (unfortunately, PC users should forget about Logic now...). Very bad news ! I have been using SmpteTrack on ATARI 1040ST for many years and, according to me, it's the best MIDI tool I ever saw : well designed screens, intuitive menus and a lot of powerful editing functions to edit quantization, velocity, note length, mix and unmix, note split, channel split, SysEx and many more. It's possible to define multitrack MIDI parts and assemble them to create a song. It's a complete MIDI studio made for composers, simple AND powerful, sometimes more accurate than most Windows Software (this proves that "NEW" does not always mean "BETTER"...). I'm still searching for such a good MIDI editor for Windows, not found it yet. When I heard about MIDI editing in Pro 4.0, I expected all the _very basic_ functions like quantize, channel mix, key split, etc... without any external MIDI editor. Obviously, it's not true. I advice that Sonic Foundry developers have a look at the so-called "old" ATARI Software SmpteTrack or EditTrack (by Hybrid Arts, and later Barefoot Software). If Acid Pro had the same MIDI editing functions, it would be the best tool, really. And now, a question : which external MIDI editor does Sonic Foundry recommend (except Logic, Cubase and Cakewalk products) ? A Belgian Acid user
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news Reply by: kleb Date:8/12/2002 11:40:30 AM I agree, sort of... I too am accustomed to the midi cuisinart that is Dr.T's KCS on Atari ST. I don't know if anything will ever truely replace it. I'll probably keep the machine around for awhile! However, I'm ready to check out Cubase and Sonar. We should be able to lock ACID and/or Vegas to Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Nuendo, and many other apps. I'm currnetly investigating all these possibilities. Check out my thread over at Vegas - Audio Topics. http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=115126&Replies=13&Page=1
Subject:RE: Using Atari MIDI software Reply by: Djipy Date:8/25/2002 12:43:25 PM Kleb, if you want to run your Atari applications on PC, try STEEM, an Atari emulator for Windows. There is no installation to do, just run an exe file and make some basic settings. It's free and very easy to use. I have tested it with EditTrack (by Hybrid Arts) and it seems to work fine on Win98SE. No crash until now. It records and plays through USB MIDI ports (Ediroll UM-1S) without any problems. Click this link to go to the STEEM Atari Emulator web page. The EditTrack application is now freeware, visit this page or click this link to download it. Have fun :)
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news Reply by: Maruuk Date:8/25/2002 12:57:45 PM Dj--You represent a lot of folks who can't get acceptable midi editing inside Acid, even in 4.0--and are shocked to learn you can't even get it outside either since there's no ReWire. Only the VERY brave of heart should attempt the gaping horror of...the midi router!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news Reply by: dlcham Date:8/25/2002 1:17:35 PM The editor certainly seems to be a little disappointing, and hopefully that will be resolved soon. Acid 4 has been stable for me recording a VSTi in real-time using my soundcard's ASIO driver -- fewer glitches than in Sonar using a WDM driver. For the editing functions I want, though, I have to open the midi file I recorded in Acid 4 in Sonar and do the editing there...obviously not the best solution. I've also noticed drop-outs when playing back midi in Acid, but I haven't spent enough time tweaking buffer settings to see if that's something I can resolve.

Subject:Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news

Posted by: Djipy

Date:8/12/2002 7:37:55 AM

I read that Acid pro 4.0 won't replace any external MIDI editor like Cubase or Sonar (unfortunately, PC users should forget about Logic now...).

Very bad news !

I have been using SmpteTrack on ATARI 1040ST for many years and, according to me, it's the best MIDI tool I ever saw : well designed screens, intuitive menus and a lot of powerful editing functions to edit quantization, velocity, note length, mix and unmix, note split, channel split, SysEx and many more. It's possible to define multitrack MIDI parts and assemble them to create a song. It's a complete MIDI studio made for composers, simple AND powerful, sometimes more accurate than most Windows Software (this proves that "NEW" does not always mean "BETTER"...).

I'm still searching for such a good MIDI editor for Windows, not found it yet.

When I heard about MIDI editing in Pro 4.0, I expected all the _very basic_ functions like quantize, channel mix, key split, etc... without any external MIDI editor.
Obviously, it's not true.

I advice that Sonic Foundry developers have a look at the so-called "old" ATARI Software SmpteTrack or EditTrack (by Hybrid Arts, and later Barefoot Software).
If Acid Pro had the same MIDI editing functions, it would be the best tool, really.

And now, a question : which external MIDI editor does Sonic Foundry recommend (except Logic, Cubase and Cakewalk products) ?

A Belgian Acid user

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news

Reply by: kleb

Date:8/12/2002 11:40:30 AM

I agree, sort of...

I too am accustomed to the midi cuisinart that is Dr.T's KCS on Atari ST. I don't know if anything will ever truely replace it. I'll probably keep the machine around for awhile!

However, I'm ready to check out Cubase and Sonar. We should be able to lock ACID and/or Vegas to Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Nuendo, and many other apps. I'm currnetly investigating all these possibilities. Check out my thread over at Vegas - Audio Topics.

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=115126&Replies=13&Page=1

Subject:RE: Using Atari MIDI software

Reply by: Djipy

Date:8/25/2002 12:43:25 PM

Kleb, if you want to run your Atari applications on PC, try STEEM, an Atari emulator for Windows. There is no installation to do, just run an exe file and make some basic settings. It's free and very easy to use.
I have tested it with EditTrack (by Hybrid Arts) and it seems to work fine on Win98SE. No crash until now. It records and plays through USB MIDI ports (Ediroll UM-1S) without any problems.
Click this link to go to the STEEM Atari Emulator web page.
The EditTrack application is now freeware, visit this page or click this link to download it.

Have fun :)

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:8/25/2002 12:57:45 PM

Dj--You represent a lot of folks who can't get acceptable midi editing inside Acid, even in 4.0--and are shocked to learn you can't even get it outside either since there's no ReWire. Only the VERY brave of heart should attempt the gaping horror of...the midi router!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 4.0 + MIDI editing = Bad news

Reply by: dlcham

Date:8/25/2002 1:17:35 PM

The editor certainly seems to be a little disappointing, and hopefully that will be resolved soon. Acid 4 has been stable for me recording a VSTi in real-time using my soundcard's ASIO driver -- fewer glitches than in Sonar using a WDM driver. For the editing functions I want, though, I have to open the midi file I recorded in Acid 4 in Sonar and do the editing there...obviously not the best solution.

I've also noticed drop-outs when playing back midi in Acid, but I haven't spent enough time tweaking buffer settings to see if that's something I can resolve.