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Subject:Hmm... interesting company you got here
Posted by: Dick_Withers
Date:8/23/2002 9:46:28 AM
Who's the CEO, John Ashcroft? I don't know what's more troubling; the refusal to support the Mac (mac user = pinko liberal), or the bizarre government surveillance wing of your business. Gotta say, from an artist/musician point of view, Sonic Foundry gives me the creeps. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: tomrichards
Date:8/23/2002 10:00:20 AM
Nice to see you haven't gotten any wiser, Dick. Maybe you need to find another point of view. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Spot/DSE
Date:8/23/2002 10:44:56 AM
Hmmm Mac = 7% of the total market, and 28% of the music market. Development dollars are restricted, so heck, why NOT write for less than 1/3 of the total userbase of computer music? Seems to me, as an uneducated hick, that SOFO is doing the RIGHT thing, not the wrong thing. People who are stuck in the Mac world must hate being so lonely, no wonder they are so pissed off all the time. Mac had to buy Logic just to try and capture a small share of an ever-diminishing market. Duh? My take on it all a couple years ago....if you can't beat em, find out why. You just might wanna join em. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: aress
Date:8/23/2002 11:35:24 AM
and they are members of the trilateral commission... as a former die hard mac guy, i say SF is doing the right thing...PC wintel userbase 98% you do the math... |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: vanblah
Date:8/23/2002 11:44:07 AM
I use several machines and Operating Systems on a daily basis (Windows, Solaris, Mac, Linux) and I don't usually have the time to be biased but here is what I have found: Mac=religion, PC=solution. I hear it from both sides, but the people who exclusively use Macs seem to be the ones that talk about how much better they are all the time and bash PCs as somehow being fascist. I don't know about you but in my opinion both Micro$oft and Apple are on the same side of the fence as far as trying to brainwash the public. For an interesting read, point your browser to this: http://www.noapologiespress.com/pseudo/Mac.html even though it's tongue-in-cheek it hits the nail on the head. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/23/2002 2:23:23 PM
Most top pros use Macs. Case closed. I'm talking about techno, film scoring, hiphop, you name it. These are pure musicians who don't want to know about registries, address conflicts, and a whole raft of Microshaft issues resulting from a sloppily implemented OS. They want User Friendly, that's mission numero uno. But they are less than 1% of the market. Macs are more robust, stable, a far more elegant and efficient OS. But PC's are cheap and ubiquitous. And got the software. The rich industry pros generally go Mac--because they can. But they don't get Acid and a lot of other great apps. SOFO has to go where the money is. Steinberg/Propheads has gone hybrid, but they can afford to, and they've adopted integration and connectivity--keys to the pro user. As long as Acid is developed as a limited toy app unable to connect to pro audio apps, the Mac pro users wouldn't be able to get much use out of it anyway. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: bgc
Date:8/23/2002 3:16:51 PM
If you're a pro and willing to spend the $$$ it takes to have pro gear, then you get both a Mac and a PC (isn't part of being a pro - being a terminally addicted gear slut?). Compared to the price of a good pre-amp, you can get a juicy PC that's more than sufficient to run ACID (or any of the other PC-only apps). More tools is better right? Why the big deal? I've got a Fender and a Gibson and a Roland and a Korg and a PC and Mac and a... And if a PCs too complicated to run there's always PCs for Dummies. The PC/Mac debate seems a bit silly at this point, but then I actually like it. I've got both so I can do more cool stuff than someone who has only one. Just my 2 cents worth. Of course I realize that having "stepped in" the religious controversy of Mac vs. PC I will be horribly flamed, my intelligence questioned, my abilities tormented, my... Wait, I take it all back. I don't even have a computer. They're too complicated. I use an abacus. :) Bgc |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:8/23/2002 3:28:11 PM
Need a fire extinguisher for that flaming abacus? Oh wait! That's too technical. Here, have some sand to put it out with ;) The cost of a PC is rapidly becoming one of the smaller expenses in a setup these days. I've spent more on blank CDs in the past year than i spent on my PC. The computer is no longer the centerpiece around which you build your digital studio; it's just another one of the tools, and a commodity tool at that now. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/23/2002 3:34:25 PM
Good point--the old Mac/PC Holy Wars rally did represent two radical fundamentalist worlds in opposition. But with XP Media and Jaguar we begin to see everybody going to the same place ultimately. DOS is finally dead, and Jobs is a pragmatist whose stockholders have had enough of Lisas, no CD_ROM burners, gay laptops and Cubes. In a few years, there may be just some Macwin OS. Heck, Apple is talking about using Intel procs now! |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: dlcham
Date:8/23/2002 4:08:36 PM
Yes...and they kill trees to make boxes and loop cd packaging..oh, the shame! |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:8/23/2002 5:12:04 PM
I hope that was joke, Lee... |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/23/2002 5:16:22 PM
Actually, the packaging saved by DL's every year must be pretty huge, and it saves the company resources and money as well. |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: DataCowboy
Date:8/23/2002 8:30:43 PM
The religion the CEO's of the major software and hardware companies begins and ends with the almighty dollar. It's the users that believed the marketing and created the religion. Hexadecimal of Freeside |
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Subject:RE: Hmm... interesting company you got here
Reply by: dlcham
Date:8/23/2002 10:33:43 PM
Of course it was a joke, Kevin...I just think it's funny that we digress from discussing music to implying that SoFo is somehow part of the "vast right wing conspiracy". Hence the reference to "tree killing", a vice attributed those of the conservative political mindset. But if you must know where I stand, if I wasn't spending money on music gear, I'd probably buy a great big SUV, stuff it with paper products of all kinds, and attend gun shows on Saturdays...but let's leave politics to some other discussion group. |