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Subject:Inserting tracks on a CD
Posted by: acidjazz
Date:8/14/2002 1:44:23 AM
To Whom it may concern, I own Vegas Audio 2 and Sound Forge 5. I made a continues mix using Vegas Audio and then converted it to a wav file. Then I put it in to SF 5 so I can burn it on to a CD. I placed makers at the points in which I want to have "track" points on my CD. Unfortunately I could not find a way in which to place tracks on my CD, allowing me to only have "1" long track on my CD. Which product from Sonic Foundry do I need to get for my desired effect? I was very disappointed that a basic feature like this did not exist on either program. Steven Andrade |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: jgalt
Date:8/14/2002 5:21:26 AM
IF I understand your post, You can do this with SF 5. Open the file in SF 5 and place a marker at the beginning and the end of the file. You can place a marker by clicking your cursor where you want a marker to be and then hit the "M" key on your keyboard. Place a marker between the end of one song and the beginning of the next - leave some silence on each side of your marker. Click Special/Region Lists/Markers to Regions. Click Tools/Extract Regions. You can specify which folder you want the files to be saved to. By default the file names will be "The name of the original file and then the region.” Your long continuous file will now be numerous individual `files. Use these to make you CD. I hope I understood what you meant. |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: Sonic
Date:8/14/2002 12:03:24 PM
The above method will work, but will introduce 2 second pauses between tracks. Sound Forge supports only Track-At-Once (TAO) burning. It does not support Disc-At-Once (DAO) burning, which sounds like what you are talking about. Vegas Video 3.0 includes DAO capabilities. |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: rraud
Date:8/14/2002 2:02:17 PM
"CD Architect" is just what you need..... BUT! .... Unfortunatly, Sonic Foundry no longer offers it, and even if you did have it, CDA will not work with Sound Forge versions later than 4.5 . However those f---heads at Sonic Foundry would like you to spend another $150 for an upgrade from Vegas Audio or a flat out $400 for the full version of Vegas Video 3.0 which offers a CD-Architect type utility. In the mean time, as "igalt" instucted, split your program into multible files using "regions extract" or do it manually, and burn a CD using software such as Roxio's in the "DISC AT ONCE" mode. (DAO) This should not put a 2 second space between the tracks. There are a growing number of former SF users that have switched to CoolEdit pro or other audio editing app.s that incorporate DAO burning. |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: jgalt
Date:8/14/2002 4:52:05 PM
I should add that I use Roxio Easy CD Platinum 5 to make my CD's and wasn't aware of the 2 second pause problem with other software. |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: rraud
Date:8/14/2002 5:36:37 PM
I think all CD burning software puts a space between tracks in the Track-At-Once (TAO) mode. ??? Anybody know for sure??? |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: Sonic
Date:8/14/2002 6:21:39 PM
Well, I don't want to start a war or anything here, since I'd personally like to see DAO in Sound Forge, but haven't the clout to make it happen. But first, CDArch was never free, and second, if we had kept it around, we certainly would have had to start charging for updates to justify the engineering expense incurred by adding support for new burners or, potentially, revising the entire infrastructure to incorporate everything we've already put into Vegas DAO. In other words, had we kept CDArch around, it would still cost you (unless you were willing to keep that 5 year old 2x burner around <g>). So I don't think the money argument holds much water. We've always offered a DAO solution, just not IN Sound Forge (you could launch CDArch from 4.5, but it was still a separate app). Now that solution happens to be Vegas. What does hold water is that some of Sound Forge's direct competitors (Wavelab, CEP) include DAO within the app, and I concur that it is a selling point for people who are not willing to pursue a separate solution. Just one f---head's opinion <g>. J. |
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Subject:Not what I'm lookin for
Reply by: acidjazz
Date:8/15/2002 1:29:56 AM
Thanx for your advise but I want to maintain the continous mix (w/n gaps), but want to be able to foward, on CD, to the different tracks. |
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Subject:Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: acidjazz
Date:8/15/2002 1:33:43 AM
I never knew the technical name of the feature I want (DAO). Can you explain the term to me? Don't understand the significance behind Track and disc in the two terms. |
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Subject:RE: Inserting tracks on a CD
Reply by: acidjazz
Date:8/15/2002 1:38:31 AM
I agree with you "rraud". It makes no since to pay so much money for software that lacks such a basic function. In this day of increased interest in turntablism, why whould this feature be a standard. |
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Subject:Contradiction
Reply by: acidjazz
Date:8/15/2002 1:54:47 AM
You say the your company has always provided a solution for DAO. First you said that the solution was only in the CDArch add on, which is 5 year old out of date program. The next program to provide a solution is Vegas Video 3.0, a brand-new program. Sounds like there has not been a continuous solution for DAO. I agree there is probably many logistics invalid with keeping CDArch alive, but to not add this one function (DAO) as part of the Sound Forge package seems very narrow minded of your company. I live by UCLA and they even offer courses in turntablism because of the respect that is growing for this true art form. Who wants a mixed CD where you have to fast forward for 2 minutes the get to a specific track, that is ridicules. Are we supposed to revert back to the cassette days? |
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Subject:RE: Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:8/15/2002 7:43:32 AM
acidjazz: DAO stands for "disc at once" and TAO stands for "track at once". In TAO recording, the disc is written one track at a time. The writing process can be stopped between tracks. However, since burners may not be able to accurately pick up exactly where they left off after a stop, a two second silent gap is inserted at the beginning of each track write to make sure that the audio isn't affected by this inaccuracy. In DAO recording, the entire disc is written in one continuous shot. Since the writing is never stopped, the problems with restarting can be avoided so no extra silence is needed. |
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Subject:RE: Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: rraud
Date:8/15/2002 12:40:36 PM
Sonic, Maybe I should have re-worded it somewhat. True, CDA never was free, I paid for it way-back-when, Now it's useless on my present set-up and that agravates me to no end. If a new version or update WAS available, I'd pay for that too. But it ain't. And I'm not going to pay $400 for Vegas Video. Anyway thanks for your respone. |
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Subject:RE: Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: MyST
Date:8/15/2002 12:54:38 PM
Doesn't NERO allow you to remove the 2 second gap? Couldn't you then burn as seperate tracks and have no (or nearly no) gaps between tracks? M |
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Subject:RE: Not what I'm lookin for
Reply by: MJhig
Date:8/15/2002 1:05:12 PM
acidjazz "Thanx for your advise but I want to maintain the continous mix (w/n gaps), but want to be able to foward, on CD, to the different tracks." jgalt gave you the directions for this in SF above. except don't create any silence, simply press "m" at the places you want the tracks to begin as you play the file. Place the cursor at the start of the audio in the file. Press "m" to insert a marker. Press the spacebar to start playback. Press "m" again at the crossfade location to insert another marker. Repeat to the end. Click Special > Regions List > Markers to Regions, when prompted click yes or ok. In the Regions List window highlight a region click enter to edit name. Click tools > Extract Regions and save them to a folder and burn them all in your burning software using DAO (disk at once) to prevent spaces between tracks. MJ |
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Subject:Now I know :)
Reply by: acidjazz
Date:8/15/2002 2:08:28 PM
Sounds like DAO is a more professional form of burning a CD. Thanx for explaining the terms to me. Still puzzled why a professionals function (DAO) is not available in a "professional" product? |
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Subject:RE: Now I know :)
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:8/15/2002 2:58:06 PM
Well, i'm hardly pro, but i do do a lot of recording with Sound Forge. Personally, i have practically zero use for having more than one track loaded into Sound Forge at a time. I work on a track, save it, then load the next track, etc. The only exception is when i first record a live event and have the entire thing as one file. At that point i'll use markers to regions and export the regions to separate files for each eventual track. Having the ability to burn multiple tracks from Sound Forge just isn't a need and probably not something i'd use even if it did exist. Nero and EasyCD Creator both do this task better anyway. |
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Subject:RE: Not what I'm lookin for
Reply by: Bison_Flower
Date:8/15/2002 3:16:31 PM
Wow, never thought of this! I'll have to try it out. Pays to lurk I guess. thanks Lyle |
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Subject:RE: Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: SonyBP
Date:8/16/2002 12:02:06 AM
rraud, We do offer an upgrade from CD Architect to VV3 for $179.95. Current CDA owners do not need to pay $400 for support of newer drives (plus all the other features in Vegas). More information is available at this page. Thanks, Brian |
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Subject:RE: Thanks for the knowledge
Reply by: rraud
Date:8/18/2002 7:03:53 AM
Thanks for the info Brian, I will consider that. |