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Subject:SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Posted by: Maruuk
Date:8/6/2002 4:04:01 PM
Look around--you want what happened to Emagic to happen here? Remember Master Tracks Pro? ixMicro? More importantly, remember the first time you soloed Acid. Remember the rush? The empowerment? The realization that you could make music at lightning speed because somebody got it right--a pure intuitive interface matched to a brilliant conceptual notion. Face it, times are tough. And a brave corporate face may belie a truth that could slam users overnight. Do we want to lose a force for good in the music app universe? Think about it--maybe there's a good reason we didn't all get everything we wanted out of 4.0, but with strong support from the user community that has benefited greatly from Acid in the past, there will be a future, and support for the products. Have you hugged your Sound Forge lately? Hardcore Acid lovers, step up to the plate quickly when 4.0 hits and upgrade at once. To you on the fence, the Acid community needs you to plunk your dollars down as an investment in the single most revolutionary product in recent years. Sure it's a little dog-eared now. Sure it's a little behind the curve. But the same guys who made it great back in the day will make it great, and cutting edge again. Ya gotta believe, and stay the course. Yeah, I was bitter about no ReWire. But I realized that was way better than no Acid. I urge potential defectors who've loved and profited from Acid in the past to seriously consider hanging in and supporting SOFO right now with your hard-earned dollars. I believe the reward will be great for all of us--if we hang in and stay the course. If the whole extended community is there for SOFO now, they will be there for us. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:8/6/2002 4:27:54 PM
Bravo Maruuk! You've finally said something that I, and I'm sure many others, have felt for a long time... |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:8/6/2002 4:45:33 PM
Nice to have you back, Maruuk. You make the best point made in these forums in a long while -- we're much better off regardless of what Acid features/doesn't. I tried looping in Sonar the other day just for the heck of it...I'd rather use my daughter's Super Duper Music Looper... I think SoFo made a smart choise when they dropped Viscosity (they did, didn't they?) and decided to go after the video market, rather than graphics. I own a lot of Adobe, and I just about died when I tried to get Premiere going. SoFo apps are so intuitive, which is why I believe they are underrated: they're simple to learn and have basic, functional interfaces. I was up and running with Acid in a matter of minutes. I know it has its fans, but Fruity Loops lost me. It LOOKED really cool, but... It would be tragic if SoFo went under (I'm assuming Maruuk knows something we don't). To lose Sound Forge & Acid in the audio world would be like tossing PhotoShop out of the mix in graphics. MHO... |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: ped
Date:8/6/2002 5:24:05 PM
I never thought I could feel in love and gratitude to a software but I do. I don't have Acid (yet) but I have been a proud owner of VV3 for a while now and I can't seem to get over it's power hidden by an easy interface. I even have fantasy sometimes to strike big in lotto so I can pour millions into SOFO software R&D and stock. ;) I wish SOFO product had a more widespread use so that can ensure us that it will never drop dead on us. The future is uncertain but hell! I am optimistic. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/6/2002 5:44:39 PM
Right on, gang. You never appreciate something until you consider that without your support, it may not be there tomorrow. It's hard to find a more useful tool than Sound Forge, or a more brilliantly conceived, intuitive and elegant product than the original Acid. If SOFO is to take Acid to the next level, it must be WITH us, all of us. This is not a time for cynicism or selfish faithlessness. SOFO needs the Acid community to step up and show our faith that with a little patience, Acid will be the complete pro tool to meet the needs of all users, from beginners to music stars. This passionate and talented Acid community is not here by accident--SOFO made believers of skeptics worldwide. They will again, but only with our help. I'm going to vote pro SOFO with my wallet the instant I can spring for the 4.0 upgrade. Yeah, it's not the Promised Land yet, but we are all part of the journey. We get there together, or not at all. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: waynegee
Date:8/6/2002 6:55:37 PM
I'm 150% with you but where is it already?!?!? I'm seriously chomping at the bit. Funny how companies announce but hold back til their users are foaming at the mouths...lol...SOFO...CMON, ALREADY! |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:8/6/2002 7:01:24 PM
Maruuk -- Again, much better tune, my friend -- and I retract any past unpleasantries I might have slid your way over the ReWire thing. With you 200%. We're on the inside track of the best kept secret in digital audio (BTW, that makes us all royalty when it busts wide open...) |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: DJ_Don
Date:8/6/2002 7:56:17 PM
The day it becomes available, my credit card will be ready to strike! But, like just mentioned, WHERE IS IT?!? I want it on my system now! I know, I know--it'll probably be another week or two (at least), but at this point I'm like the 5-year-old on Christmas Eve, you know what I mean? Let's have it SoFo--we're ready! Peace. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/6/2002 8:44:56 PM
Make sure you spread the word virally to your buds as well--especially those that haven't heard about 4.0. Seems like we've heard about a beta period, and then no public beta. With the tour in Sept, gotta be in the next few weeks. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:8/6/2002 10:24:05 PM
Pete said it best..."It takes time to do it right...". I was extremely pissed off at the audio stuff that was given to VV3. The lack of audio support was apparent and drove me to buy Sonar 2.0XL. Though I do feel that this is a awesome program I still mix most of my stuff in Vegas! I used it mainly for its dx8 automation/DXi features...and the fact that at the time I felt that sofo would weakly support audio and go full on video. We ALL complained and Pete said the same thing back then...Well looking at the feature set of acid 4 I'm pleasantly surprised if a bit confused at some of the choices that were made[no rewire/ asio support?/no WDM support?/Vsti's?]. But the thing that I should focus on is the fact that they did come through and in a manner that only sofo can do. So what this means is that we'll get rewire+other enhancements in the next version a year from the release date[or so...]. I would cry like a bitch watching "titanic" if I read tomorrow that Steinberg/Cakewalk/APPLE!!!!! bought out sofo! They've got my bills as soon as its posted. Having Sonar covers my ass if sofo decides to not support all the new audio advancments on the market...but I can honestly tell you that I can't live without using their product for what I do[sofo]. These are really the best TOOLS for the job...Vegas Video 3,Acid Pro 4,Soundforge 6. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/7/2002 12:06:27 AM
They're addictive in that you get results fast, and can concentrate on the creative component rather than fiddling with interface issues or unnecessary tweaking. Let's get 'em over the hump and keep that simple magic alive. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:8/7/2002 1:31:33 AM
acid 3 is the only sofo product i use and i intend to continue using it until they come out with a version to better suit my needs. unfortunately, new and improved is not a good enough reason for me to spend more money. i'll wait for acid 5. hopefully rewire won't be replaced by a newer technology by then. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/7/2002 1:56:59 AM
I'm with you Shtunot. I use AP3 SF6 and VV3 and love 'em. Bring on AP4 ! I especially liked how easy it was to get into video editing using VV3 because of my knowledge of the interface from Acid. Nice. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: ATP
Date:8/7/2002 3:31:52 AM
umm wtf? first you spit on SoFo, and now you're their number one fan? i'm sorry but i don't buy this. still, it's better than your constant ranting about SoFo's apparent lack of marketing skills. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: MyST
Date:8/7/2002 3:40:25 AM
Now there's a 180 if I ever saw one!! M |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:8/7/2002 5:36:23 AM
'tis all in the past. Let's move on with good grace. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: MyST
Date:8/7/2002 5:46:32 AM
Agreed. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/7/2002 12:48:27 PM
ATP--Spitting in your book is giving an honest evaluation based on existing information of a release? I guess you're one of those who feels this is a cheerleader forum where anything negative about a SOFO product must elicit hate mail from you. That's your problem, not mine. As I've said, there was new information. I stopped at a certain point and dug a little deeper. Things weren't adding up. There was something missing in the equation, it wasn't just megacorp vs. the needs of the little guy. Once I had that information, everything fell into place. And the clear and present need is for the Acid community to step up, hang tough, help SOFO take this product to the next level. This isn't about cheerleading, it's all about self-interest. Mine and all of yours in having ongoing support and future development for an amazing and unique product. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:8/7/2002 1:26:27 PM
But what did you find out? Is SoFo on the ropes? |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/7/2002 2:16:59 PM
Jess--Everybody's free to draw their own conclusions from info that's freely available and anything else that comes in over or under the transom. I think we'll all get what we want in time, but only if we pull together and put our software dollars where are our long-term loyalties lie. The selfish short-term view is a luxury we can't afford right now. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:8/7/2002 4:40:34 PM
if nothing else, i'm sure sofo will corner the windows98 + SB users market. as for the high-end crowd, i don't think sofo is targeting them. reminds me of how hybrid arts (the makers of smptetrack) missed the curve and died because they only targeted the atari users. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/7/2002 4:58:24 PM
I remember Hybrid Arts. I used "M" but they had "Ludwig" for an autocomposer. My old Atari 1040 was one hell of a sequencer with Passport's MTPro on it. Very "Acid"-like in its simplicity and effectiveness. It is an awfully cutthroat business, one slip and the wolves close in. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:8/8/2002 7:22:37 AM
Nobody comes close to touching Acid overall. Sound Forge 5 wasn't very impressive (way too slow), but 6 blows everything out of the water that I've ever looked at. Give it time -- a version or two -- and I believe Vegas is going to overtake Premiere and Final Cut Pro. (All it has to do is MATCH features and integration -- the ease of use will put it over the top). If SoFo is undergoing a dollar dilemma (seems that that's what Maruuks infering), they've got the goods to keep them going. The new catalog has a scaling price feature on loops. If it existed before, I don't remember seeing it. So, if anyone's been drooling over a library or two, it wouldn't hurt to snag 'em now. And if you're not a member of the loop subscription series, you're missing out. Periodically they offer it for $229 plus two free libraries for signing up/renewing. An absolute steal. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Jacose
Date:8/8/2002 10:16:24 AM
wow that is great.. its good to see everyone a little bit more in harmony.. I didnt want to visit for a while due to the negativity here. I agree 1000 percent.... SoFo has beeen the driving force behind ALL of my projects Ive ever done on computer, and even my old ones on tape were transferred using S.F software. Its sad to see companies like emagic and stienberg rule the court when sofo really has the answer, IMHO. the answer for musicians, not technicians. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/8/2002 11:59:18 AM
Look at where Steinberg is coming from: how many years did it take for Cubase to get a GUI? Like, 10? Before that the screen looked like something John Nash scribbled on the chalkboard at Princeton. They were dragged kicking and screaming into a user-friendly environment. Look at the cheapo sub-Sonar Acid-looping/audio products from Cakewalk (Plasma, HS 2002, etc)--they are incredibly feature-rich, but they forgot to implement loop auditioning. That's a potential dealbreaker right there. And ReWire? Only in the $400 Sonar. Acid is close to hooking up. They just need a little help over the hump. Have you hugged your C++ code monkey today? |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:8/8/2002 12:54:01 PM
steinberg started way before there were guis for most software so of course it took some years to develop a good one. |
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Subject:RE: SUPPORT SOFO PRODUCTS--NOW!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:8/8/2002 1:59:33 PM
Yeah, but Passport came roaring in with Master Tracks and killer piano-roll editing on Atari and Mac in the US about the same time Steinberg's Cubase hit our shores--I believe Cubase was the standard in Europe for a time before that. Can't remember if Steinberg was PC-only at first, then Mac. Steinberg's claim to fame to pooh pooh the GUI apps was basically "Vee are Cherman, preesize, numerikal, and all things are ultimately numberz anyway! And vere iz Sahrah Konnah?" I wasn't buying that, but many did like to play with da numberz. Acid to me is just a looping neo-Master Tracks--simple as pie, useful, and it works. |