Subject:Agree or disagree, I don't really care...

Posted by: Iacobus

Date:8/3/2002 1:08:03 PM

With all of this arguing and such about ACID Pro 4.0, there's something that's been really bothering me.

I thought the idea behind all of it was to create music, no matter what's in front of you. Bang on a f--king plastic bucket if you have to.

Go all out and create your own sounds. Record them. Manipulate them. Mutilate them.

It seems to me that one limits oneself by focusing on something that ultimately doesn't have anything to do with one's musical ingenuity. Why become a "me too"?

If one can't deal with the fact that ACID doesn't have this one feature, so what? Why let it bother you? Just be glad that ACID gives you the power to do what it does so eloquently already. I couldn't honestly say this some time ago, but now I can.

So there you have it.

Gets off his soapbox,
Iacobus

Subject:I agree,but...

Reply by: Jacose

Date:8/3/2002 1:20:05 PM

True, but by disscussing features you would like to see, you give s.f a chance to see what people really want. And if the answer is NO, people usually mention workarounds... there are all optiumum studio environments we all picture... we will probably NEVER truly achieve what we want, but NOT discussing it (and unfortunatley, disscussing leads to arguing with some people, not me tho) ...... not disscusing it is the worst thing you can do, its truly ignorant, and I feeel there is nothing wrong with batting Ideas around, and having a fair debate. Unfortunatly, some people are stupdily defensive and sensitive about things and take it like your "Arguing".... this is truly unfortunate and dumb in my opinion...

I remember the days back with a 200mhz PC 32MB of RAM, a DR. Rythym drum machine and an acoustic guitar... I wrote some great stuff, and the recordings still exist today, and I love them, I would never redo some of them...
I remember using Microsoft sound recorder, WITH REVERSE AND REVERB!!! I wrote some cool stuff on that too.

I think when people get ahold of these tools, they are simply amazed, as I was when I bought my copy of ACID music 2.0 (the box is still on my wall) ,,,...

But soon certain people get used to it, and when they think of what they want, the average negative thing to think is " wow this sucks... " and they suddenly render the software we have useless in there feeble minds and wait for the next release... the whole time, all the energy they spent arguing and crap could have been used for music....

All in all, I would say that people do have to focus more on the MUSIC and not the TOOLZ, but still, if theres an idea you have or you dont understand the implementation (or lack thereof) of a certain feature, DISSCUS IT!!! If you dont, you are being ignorant, and anyone who spurns such normal and constructive behavior is The next best thing to mentally retarded.

Subject:I totally disagree

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:8/3/2002 3:05:00 PM

This entire forum is about discussing a product, and the context and the features of that product as a useful, or not, tool. This isn't a pure music forum where people discuss creative abstractions of music composing. And if something about the product gets people incensed enough to argue, that's exactly what this forum is for. To argue about features and what's good and bad about them. Why is America so terrified of a good argument?

But what happens is the moment anybody says something controversial, instead of some folks arguing back about those issues, they immediately turn personal, they adopt it as their personal agenda to attack the individual and try to hound them out of the forum. And SoFo even gets into the act!

So let's separate out these elements--a good argument on the issues at hand is always a healthy thing. Controversy is what makes things interesting and spurs all parties to think more and consider new ideas.

But there is absolutely no place in this forum for instigators of any form of ad hominem, personal insults, personal attacks, or name calling in any form. Anyone who starts up with that should be permanently removed from the forum. I'll even provide examples because I think America has forgotten how to argue:

Acceptable: I totally disagree, no way, you're dead wrong about that, that's nonsense, that's not how it works, you're misinformed, I don't get how you arrived at that, that's simply not true.

Not acceptable: %$#@*&^%, &^%$#@%&, and *&^%$#^#, so go &^*^%$# yourself you *&^&%$#$@!

Okay SoFo, are you willing to abide by these ground rules as well?

Subject:RE: Agree or disagree, I don't really care...

Reply by: gbat

Date:8/3/2002 3:17:17 PM

MD,

I can see what you are saying. The question that occurs to me is what kind of tune one would be creating which would have to hook together Acid, Cubase, Sonar, Fruity, etc. etc., into one giant app? Acid alone is enough to make my songs far too busy with all the stuff I can throw into them. Maybe some elaborate movie track or something? I think the idea is neat, Rewire, but how is it practicle in real life with someone who does not do electronica music? I am wondering if the tool is becoming the end and not the means.

Subject:RE: I totally disagree

Reply by: pwppch

Date:8/3/2002 3:35:23 PM

>>Okay SoFo, are you willing to abide by these ground rules as well?

We abide by the rules stated in the aggreement. Who from Sonic Foundry is not abiding by these rules?

Peter

Subject:RE: Agree or disagree, I don't really care...

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:8/3/2002 3:37:12 PM

gbat--Usually, one only hooks two apps at a time together. In Acid's case, either connecting to Reason or Sonar would be a huge expansion of capability, an embarrassment of riches. The beauty is it opens up a wide variety of individual apps that can compliment Acid in exactly the ways you need for your project.

Subject:RE: I totally disagree

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:8/3/2002 10:14:44 PM

It's not that I'm against free expression here. I'm just here to help people when they want it or need it. (When I can provide the help, anyway.) That's why I'm here as a fellow musician and ACID Pro user.

I don't think it's healthy to intentionally insult a company's product or predict impending doom if one thinks that will spurn the company to improve the product. (e.g., calling ACID Pro a "toy".) It's just plain bad manners. There's a way to gently suggest improvements in the product without having to resort to insults.

gbat hit the nail on the head exactly. Just because ACID doesn't have ReWire (yet) doesn't mean it's the end of the musical world. That's just silly. Sooner or later, ReWire will come to it, but to say one can't use ACID without it is a tad...how shall I say it...musically stunted? What that says to me is that one can't be creative enough to go sans Reason. And that's exactly my point.

Iacobus