Feature suggestion for Soundforge -Sound Forge - PC

Sound Forge - PC

Subject:Feature suggestion for Soundforge Posted by: Noisywan Date:7/12/2002 9:49:15 AM Let's say you have recorded 6-hour wav files and you have to remove some sections that repeat several times in it. You'll need to listen all of the wav file to find these sections. I think a search tool for finding specific patterns in wav files like Find tool in Wordpad would be very useful in Soundforge. It could take a sample of the wav that you're looking for (like Noise Reduction tool capturing a noise sample) then look for similar patters in the whole wav, where threshold of similarity is defined by user.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Chienworks Date:7/12/2002 10:21:19 AM Interesting idea! Phasing would make it very difficult though. Feel free to submit your suggestion officially: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/productsuggestion.asp
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/12/2002 11:29:38 AM Wouldn't you have to edit the sections affected by the removal of segments (eg. crossfade, etc)? I doubt you ever get identical wavepatterns. SF might cut out a section a little bit ahead of where you would have, then you have to undo and do it yourself anyways. Maybe I'm out of line here, but aren't we starting to ask a little much of software? If a 6hr wave pattern needs to be edited, shouldn't we expect to put some time and effort into it. The edited file will have to be listened to anyways to see if it came out OK. If there were sections improperly removed, are we going to complain about bugs? Removing a selected sequence of words seems alot easier than removing parts of a wave project. Asking to remove all the "fking"s out of a document will still give you a legible document. "I went to the fking store" is replaced by "I went to the store". Remove a section of wave and your project will be shortened. Who decides what kind of fade gets inserted? You ask SF to insert a generic fade, maybe it won't work at all the splices. Then you have to go back and concentrate on all the splices. If you would have done it yourself in the first place, the sections are easily identified, you edit the way you want, and go on to the next section. ¢¢
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: drbam Date:7/12/2002 12:34:01 PM <<Maybe I'm out of line here, but aren't we starting to ask a little much of software?>> mmmmm. . . I'm not so sure. I'm dreaming about the day when I'll be able to close my eyes, place my hands on the keyboard, mouse (or other approapriate device) and think about or envision what I want to create or accomplish (a kind of focused meditation) and the software will then act accordingly! ;-) Yeah, I know. . . keep dreaming, right! drbam
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Rednroll Date:7/12/2002 4:33:52 PM <<Maybe I'm out of line here, but aren't we starting to ask a little much of software?>> Yes, too much for software, but the magic wand that I got out of a box of "Trix" works much better than any software I own and has never crashed or had any compatibility issues.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: vanblah Date:7/13/2002 11:27:25 AM They are making major strides in transcending the organic brain to computer barrier everyday. My favorite is an experiment in which a primate (I can't remember which but probably a chimpanzee) is "wired" to a computer and can move the cursor and click on buttons by just thinking about it.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/15/2002 5:52:54 AM People are spending more and more money on wireless mice and keyboards, and you think we'll want to run wires from the CPU to our BRAINS everytime we sit down to play Minesweeper?!? M
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Rednroll Date:7/15/2002 9:05:46 AM on top of that, I believe the male brain has sexual thoughts on an average of every 10 seconds. So if you think you have problems with "Pops and clicks" NOW in your audio, I'ld hate to see the introduction of "boobs and c**ts" creeping into your audio editing sessions. :-)
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: DongleDave Date:7/15/2002 9:51:51 AM Sounds kind of like the 'eyedropper' tool in Photoshop where you'd have a tolerance level that you can tweak. So you'd highlight the wav pattern you want to find and set the tolerance of the pattern and then hit find. It would take you to each instance of a similar pattern for you to then edit as needed. Then you hit "find again" for the next one. Correct? That sounds like a great tool... Dave
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/15/2002 10:14:04 AM We wouldn't be REMOVING obscenities from rap music anymore, we'd be putting them IN!! M
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: vanblah Date:7/15/2002 12:37:02 PM >>People are spending more and more money on wireless mice and keyboards, and you think we'll want to run wires from the >>CPU to our BRAINS everytime we sit down to >>play Minesweeper?!? >> >>M Hey, I'm not doing the experiment. What's with this "YOU think we'll want to ...". ;) My response was directed toward 'drbam' who said: "mmmmm. . . I'm not so sure. I'm dreaming about the day when I'll be able to close my eyes, place my hands on the keyboard, mouse (or other approapriate device) and think about or envision what I want to create or accomplish (a kind of focused meditation) and the software will then act accordingly! ;-) Yeah, I know. . . keep dreaming, right! "
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/15/2002 1:01:05 PM Sorry about that...I was generalizing when I used the term YOU. I should have used a more technical term like "Youz" or "You-all". :) M
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Geoff_Wood Date:7/15/2002 6:00:12 PM Best way to spot these repeating regions is to minimize the track zoom and use your eyes. It's a pretty big ask for software to do what you want, unless the section was bit-identical.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: VU-1 Date:7/15/2002 10:15:39 PM That's like going 'Blind-nellow (sp?)' in a game of Spades.... How would you end up with IDENTICAL repeats of material in an un-edited file anyway? If YOU want to release a job out of YOUR studio that YOU have not listened down AT LEAST twice, then go right ahead....I (and other studios) could use the new clientelle. JL OTR
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/16/2002 4:27:39 AM Reminds me of that old saying that goes something like "Do you want it done FAST, or do you want it done WELL" M
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 8:31:11 AM Yes, that's it. Using this tool, it would be easy to locate repeating audio patterns like commercial jingles in a huge audio file and note down the time code or edit/remove the pattern as needed.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 8:50:40 AM Yes it would and i agree that coders have difficul jobs:) Thanks, i submitted it. I hope they add it in future versions and save me from listening all that audio :P
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Rednroll Date:7/16/2002 10:45:40 AM "If YOU want to release a job out of YOUR studio that YOU have not listened down AT LEAST twice, then go right ahead....I (and other studios) could use the new clientelle." Well put Jeff, obviously spoken from someone with the experience to realize that you can NEVER be too careful. Seems like everytime I find a job getting tedious and repetitive and I assume everything is going to be fine..and feel oh, I really don't have to check EVERY CD or edit...well that's the time, I've got someone calling me back the next day complaining that something got F'ed up. I'm not sure what the way that feature would be useful in commercial jingles as stated, but that would be the last place I would use it. Commercials are made and shipped out the door to the air sometimes in the same day, and if that aired with something incorrect, you can kiss that client goodbye. Sure you saved them $20 because you finished the session 15 minutes earlier, but you just cost them $10,000 in f'ed up air time.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/16/2002 11:30:09 AM I think there in lies the problem... People post questions without giving enough info about how the end product will be used. Even going back to the infamous "vocal removal" question. If the person would state that it is for his personal use so he can sing to the music when he/she is taking a shower, they would be directed to analogueX and probably be quite satisfied. But, if they want pro results, well then (all together now), it can't be done. Same thing for this case. If this person only uses SF to edit out ads between songs that he recorded for 6 hrs off a radio station, then maybe this would work for him. The problem is that the end use of this feature isn't mentioned. Considering Sonic Foundry caters to pros who rely on a SOLID product to earn their living, I doubt you'll ever see a feature like this (that is bound to only work half-assed at best for professionals) included in SF. SF needs to maintain it's level of professionalism if it wants to keep the pros in their customer base. I'm not a pro (I don't even play one on TV), but I understand that this software is aimed primarily at pros. Instead of asking the software to become more "toy" like, maybe we should try to become more "pro" like. Even if that includes labouring through 6 long/painful hours. Hey Red, how many hours a week do YOU spend working with audio...bet it's more than 6. :) ¢¢
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 11:56:03 AM I do it well, I do it fast... Jedi bussines... You Twice-Listen guys shouldn't interfere!! :)
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 1:00:15 PM I make the mp3s that goes on air, so i don't need to record broadcasts for my listening pleasure :) I work for a Radio-TV broadcasting company and i use SF for recording voice and live broadcasts, extract audio from CDs(new!), make promos, teasers, edit music, etc. I am a pro and i need such tools, a search tool was one of them. These recorded materials I gave as an example were radio shows to be re-broadcasted and some aired promos and all ads were to be cut. Hope this info helps you about the problem you mentioned about 'end use'.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/16/2002 1:30:22 PM "If this person only uses SF to edit out ads between songs that he recorded for 6 hrs off a radio station, then maybe this would work for him." "These recorded materials I gave as an example were radio shows to be re-broadcasted and some aired promos and all ads were to be cut." Pretty close to the same thing, don't you think?
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Rednroll Date:7/16/2002 5:16:46 PM Well, now that you told us what you're using it for, there is actually a function in Sound Forge that might work for you quite well. What you need to try is the "auto region" function. Music is mastered and commercials are not, therefore there is a good chance that there will be a level difference between the commercials and the music. The auto region has a threshold setting that you can play around with and possibly get the results you're looking for. I haven't used this function much and admittantly can't give you any good starting points, but this definitely sounds like what you're looking for.
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 9:09:59 PM No, I don't. So, what is your point?
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: Noisywan Date:7/16/2002 9:24:33 PM Nice idea but it won't find overlapped areas since most DJ's mix and never leave any audio gap... DJ talking has also gaps. All audio levels in music and other content are processed with Ultramaximizer or passed thru similar process, so relaying on audio level won't help. That's why a search tool is needed. Thanks for the advice anyway. Let's say i'm looking for pattern "soundforge". When DJ mixes the pattern with other audio, it'll become something like "SoundforgE" or "SOundforGE". If I look for a "oundforg" or a "undfor" then i should be able to find it. And finding a "undfor" in a wav file is easy if you have a copy of it.. Applications using voice recognition systems already do find similarities in more complicated and less similar patterns.. I'm not asking for too much. Even SB Text Assist is able to understand what i'm saying, from time to time :)
Subject:RE: Feature suggestion for Soundforge Reply by: MyST Date:7/17/2002 5:11:25 AM http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/contactus.asp I would suggest you contact Customer Service (the above link shows you the different ways to reach them) and explain exactly what you're looking for. Product suggestion is fine, but they won't get back to you if it's something that can/can't be done. Call customer service and explain what you're looking for. They should be able to tell you if it is possible to do this already, if it's an upcoming feature, or if it's not planned at all. Hope this Helps

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