Subject:does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Posted by: adsm

Date:7/8/2002 2:37:27 AM

can you edit a file so you can just here the lyrics of the song and not here the music? if you can how do you do this?

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:7/8/2002 10:08:40 AM

Sorry, no. This is not possible with any software.

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Xstreamist

Date:7/8/2002 12:23:11 PM

Actually Chien I have to correct you on this. There is indeed software that will eliminate tracks from music files. AnalogX has an applicaiton called Vocal remover which will remove the vocals from music and if they don't already have a version that removes just the music you can e-mail them and they will create one for you. FOR FREE! The vocal remover is here:
http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vremover.htm

They also have an app called AudioArpeg which may be exactly what you are looking for.
If you go to this page you can read up on it and download it and try it out:

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/aarpeg.htm

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: MyST

Date:7/8/2002 1:25:17 PM

Chien probably meant to say, it can't be done WELL with any software.
And I'll second that...I've tried analogX.

M

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:7/8/2002 1:57:12 PM

Actually i'll stick with my "cannot be done". To those who advocate the vocal removal software, have you actually tried it? Even with a single voice recorded dead-center with no effects, there will be enough differences between how the two tracks were recorded to leave a perceptible amount of voice behind. What's left of the music is usually so far different from the original as to be unrecognizable. The only way to come even close is if the left & right channels contain completely different material (everything panned hard left or hard right, like the old Beatles albums i guess, but how many songs are recorded this way?) But even then there will be enough imperfections in the recording process to mess it up.

It's very easy to duplicate what Analog-x's software does with a few clicks in Sound Forge if you want to test it for yourself. Copy the left channel, paste into a new mono file. Highlight the right channel and Invert it. Copy the right channel. Paste / Special / Mix into the new file. Adjust the Source and Destination gains as necessary to correct for off-center vocals. Try it and tell me if you honestly think the result is useful for for what the people asking for this procedure want. For that matter, this person wants to remove the music and leave the vocals behind, and that doesn't involve the "center elimination" technique at all.

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Xstreamist

Date:7/9/2002 9:07:28 PM

Well, given the original post didn't mention anything about what they needed to do this for I'll stand by MY comments. If the person is just trying to get rid of the music so they can hear the words so they can write them down then there are a few arpeggiator applications out there. AnalogX just happens to be a free one. Your original comment that it is not possible with any software was incorrect.

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Ted_H

Date:7/10/2002 10:43:44 AM

Once you hear the results of using the AnalogX vocal remover, you'll understand why Chien says that it isn't possible. The truth is that it's possible, but the results are typically poor and not suitable for professional use.

Ted

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: MyST

Date:7/10/2002 11:05:59 AM

Which means I'll stand by MY comments! :)

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: vanblah

Date:7/10/2002 12:03:13 PM

What do you mean arpeggiator programs?

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:7/10/2002 3:59:28 PM

Arpeggio: n. 1. The sounding of the tones of a chord in rapid succession rather than simultaneously. 2. A chord played or sung in this manner.

Hmmmmmmm. Doesn't seem to make much sense. Could he have meant "acappelliator?"

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Xstreamist

Date:7/10/2002 10:53:45 PM

I meant exactly what I said. And it actually makes a LOT of sense Chien. Arpeggiator software can be used to modify audio in many different ways. An arpeggiator sequentially moves a pattern of notes in specific directions. There are eight arpeggiator modes.
Up, held notes arpeggiate continuously from lowest to highest pitch.
Down, held notes arpeggiate continuously from highest to lowest pitch.
Up/Down, held notes arpeggiate continuously from lowest to highest pitch, then from highest to lowest, then repeat this cycle.
Fwd Assign, held notes arpeggiate continuously in the order in which they are played.
Bkwd Assign, held notes arpeggiate continuously in the reverse order in which they are played.
Fwd/Bkwd, held notes arpeggiate continuously in the order in which they are played, then arpeggiate in the reverse order that they were played. The cycle is then repeated.
Random, held notes arpeggiate continuously in a random fashion.
and
Pattern, held notes play in a selected pattern.

Now, using arpeggiator software you can use the Down mode to bring down a certain channel in a given selection of audio so that the channel can not be heard at all. This would best be done in conjunction with arpeggiator hardware and the audio played through the hardware straight from a CD or other audio device for more professional results.
With the right software adsm's task could most certainly be accomplished.
But if all adsm wants to do is remove the music track from a piece of music so he/she can hear the words to write them down then quality shouldn't matter as long as you can still hear the words. In which case there are lots of free and inexpensive arpeggiator software applications out there. I mentioned only one.

Subject:RE: does Sound Forge XP 4.5 do this?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:7/11/2002 7:22:46 AM

Xstreamist, when you say, "you can use the Down mode to bring down a certain channel in a given selection of audio so that the channel can not be heard at all" i must admit i don't follow you. Can you explain how this works? What do you mean by channel? I'm not being argumentative at all here; i just don't understand how the software you've described could be used in such a manner to remove parts of the music. If anything, it seems like this would add more music to the mix.