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Subject:Need to remove Orchestra
Posted by: Weka
Date:6/25/2002 12:10:13 PM

I have a recording of Beethoven's 7th Symphony and need to remove all the music except for the triangle and 3rd violins. Can you tell me how to do this with Sound Forge.
Many thanks
Weka

Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/25/2002 12:33:45 PM

This should be no problem using SF6. This new option is located under the "Tools" menu. For the triangle just use the "Triangle band pass filter" preset, and this will get rid of everything, but the Triangle sound. It will be a little more difficult with the "3rd violins". Under the same menu, there is only a preset for "1st violins filter" , so you will need to start with this preset and do a little tweaking. Try to add a pitch shift of half an octave, which should put you right in the 3rd violin frequency range, and see how that works for you.

Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: musicdog
Date:6/25/2002 12:50:20 PM

Or....Kill all the Orchestra members except the triangle and 3rd violin player.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/25/2002 1:26:06 PM

I have the original recording. All the instruments are in separate wave files. Give me your e-mail adress and I'll send it to you. I also have some original DV footage where you see Beethoven clowning around with that triangle. If you want I'll send you both and you can make a nice little "montage" using Vegas Video 4.0 (Oops, I wasn't supposed to say I already had 4.0, sorry SF).

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Weka
Date:6/25/2002 1:59:33 PM

Thanks all, works well. Isn't technology fabulous! Reductionist Composition. I think I'll start a school of Componistic Reductionism and set up on the left-bank in Paris.
Still there's this damnable woman 3 rows back snoring during the Allegretto.

Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: fosko
Date:6/25/2002 3:10:00 PM

WOW!!!
Can you really do this ???
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/25/2002 4:27:00 PM

You'll have to purchase the new version of the Sonic Foundry noise reduction plugin when it get's released. In there, they've promised to have a "De-snorer" preset, which not only removes any background snoring but, is guaranteed to wake your mixes right up and give them more of a lively feel.

Fosko, Of course this can be done, just refer to the FAQ section and see item #6.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:6/25/2002 7:08:01 PM

I still like using my Vegas installation better for this. Very simple. Just point & click.
http://www.chienworks.com/media/vocalremove.gif
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Weka
Date:6/25/2002 8:10:18 PM

LOL!! You win Chienworks!
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/25/2002 10:05:58 PM

Lol Chien, I see there's been an update in the last release. Will the ever infamous "Glockenspiel" be supported in the next Vegas removal update? Nothing makes a hit record without a Glockenspiel solo, has always been my production advice.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:6/25/2002 10:58:09 PM

Red, what you don't see there is the dialog box that lets you add new instruments, ala the impulses used in Acoustic Mirror. So just build up your own library. Personally i think a Glockenspiel & Ocarina duet would be heavenly.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/25/2002 11:19:44 PM

Ooops, my bad!! I guess I better get back to reading this latest manual and catch up on my technology curve before showing my lack of experience using vegas :-)

Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: fosko
Date:6/26/2002 12:27:03 PM

OK
You guys are really ticking me off...
When I purchased SF I was told there was a feature that would AUTOMATICALLY remove offensive words from Rapp music.

I was also informed that with some tweaking, this feature could make the Blues sound happy, automaically Master my recordings for me, and whitten my teeth.

I tried Cheins preset and not only did it crash my system...but when I rebooted the Orchestra was playing an octave faster.

Where is my Sonic Satisfaction ???
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: anon
Date:6/26/2002 12:43:37 PM

Watch out for the teeth whitener plug-in, I pushed it too hard and clipped my master output and it gave me a root canal.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/26/2002 12:50:19 PM

"I tried Cheins preset and not only did it crash my system...but when I rebooted the Orchestra was playing an octave faster."

SF is aware of this and they are working on an update. This seems to happen whether one is using a P4 or a Commodore 64. A workaround for now is to reboot and work in safemode. Make sure you have all the latest drivers for all your equipment. I thought I had them all updated, but it was still crashing the system. I proceeded to fire my LIMO driver and hired a new one... no more crashes. So, when SF advises you to update ALL your drivers, make sure you update them all. I'm still getting stuttering on playback, so I'm heading for my golfbag next!

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/26/2002 5:24:39 PM

I think there's a bug in the teeth whitener plugin, maybe some sort of audio steering problem. I spent hours doing sessions with this plugin and the only thing it whitened was my hair. Can anyone repro this bug? Sofo, when will there be an update to address this issue?
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:6/26/2002 5:40:07 PM

Sorry about that. I developed and tested the plugin in 65816 code on my old Apple //gs. I guess i should have QA do some testing on other platforms.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: beetlefan
Date:6/26/2002 6:55:04 PM

I heard of a plug-in that allows you to separate the musician from the instrument...
www.bullshittinya.com
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/26/2002 11:03:47 PM

haaa...ha..ahaa...aahss.ah...ha...jaaza...haaa..hhaa. WTF?
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Tom Pauncz
Date:6/27/2002 10:30:16 AM

Ok .. I have SF6, looked under "Tools". What am I looking for? I can see no "Filter.."
Thanks
Tom
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:6/27/2002 2:23:09 PM

psssssst. Tom, just checking ... you do realize this entire thread has been satire, right? ;)
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:6/27/2002 2:47:02 PM

Satire, what are you talking about? It's in my menu items. You might want to try reinstalling SF6 and see if it reappears, and if that don't help then post a Bug report to the Sonic Foundry tech support.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Tom Pauncz
Date:6/28/2002 9:03:12 AM

Thanks .. I'll check ...
So it's under "Tools" --> "Filter.." ??????

I have SF6 try&buy installed on my laptop, but have the full version (with serial no) installed on my editing system at home. I was looking under "Tools" on the trial version.

Cheers,
Tom
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: fosko
Date:6/28/2002 10:30:25 AM

PAUNTZ..
to get that feature I think you'll need the new SOUND FOURGE PLATINUM X. Contact Sonic Foundry or your local dealer for details.

Just a note..
SF Platinum X comes bundled with a free copy of Cubase and Sonar.
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/28/2002 11:12:50 AM

"SF Platinum X comes bundled with a free copy of Cubase and Sonar"

That would explain the 1500$ price tag. They may SAY it's free, but you pay for it in the end.
Also, the advantage with Platinum X is it will also run on MAC.

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Ted_H
Date:6/28/2002 11:17:49 AM

You're all insane :-)

Ted
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/28/2002 12:20:32 PM

Don't bother trying to deny it Ted, I've just been to the Sonar forum and they mention a Sonar/Cubase/PlatinumX as an upcoming product.
Now, I hope that with the hefty pricetag, you guys will offer some bonus to go with the puchase...say a Sonic Foundry baseball cap. Or, better yet a free Sonic Foundry coaster for my coffee mug at my workstation.

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MarkWWW
Date:6/28/2002 2:09:23 PM

Hang on, this is a trick question isn't it?

There are no third violins or triangle in Beethoven's 7th. :-)

Mark
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/28/2002 2:19:22 PM

Not anymore! :)

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Weka
Date:7/1/2002 1:18:37 PM

WRONG!
If you have not done so please check results of orchestral removal process as per below ...
ftp://uni5609s1@uni5609s1.bach.2day.com/dacmp3/remove_orchestra.mp3

Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: ATP
Date:7/2/2002 2:32:17 PM

man, you gotta try out the new SF Famous Actor plugin. take any piece of spoken word and it will automagically transform it into the voice of the actor of your choice! ever heard Robert De Niro sing Carmen? :)
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:7/10/2002 12:14:36 AM

Oh No! What have i started????? http://strangetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=20157
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: MyST
Date:7/10/2002 8:47:46 AM

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

This is SO cool!!
Way to go Chien!!

I think, however, that you need to post on that thread to clear things up. You have to tell these people that the vocal remover is a 199$ extra-cost plug-in. After all, you don't want them buying VV3 thinking that it removes vocals WITHOUT the plug-in.

M
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:7/10/2002 10:10:04 AM

Let it be known that it was Chien who started it all, when I start replying to POed users whining about how "They Heard" Vegas could remove vocals, and then I have to tell them what a pathetic loser they really are. :-)
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: corbellani
Date:7/10/2002 2:29:29 PM

Hi!... i have a Time Machine, so if anybody needs to record something separatly, we can go back in time and ask Beethoven. We can leave him a copy, so he can listen the new track final render (he's still using V2)
PS: i wrote this message tomorrow, if anybody ask...
Subject:RE: Need to remove Orchestra
Reply by: Weka
Date:7/10/2002 2:52:51 PM

Too late - just come back from there. He's sawn the legs off his pianos and can't hear anything over 200hz. But I tell you what thought, I'd sell my soul for the rights to his up-and-coming. The 32 piano sonata opus 111. It's gonna be a smash.
(tell them old Weka told ya so)

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