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Subject:Save File takes a long time... Posted by: DanielH Date:5/31/2002 11:41:18 AM When I save a 1hour lecture to my laptop, it seams to take a long time, is there a way to just save the temp recording so I can get ready for the next lecture sooner. Dan PS ver 6 of SF
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: joelogan Date:6/1/2002 10:58:28 AM This isn’t really an answer, but the slower your computer the slower the save process will be. Especially if you have less that 512 of RAM. Also, how much room is on your hard drive? If it’s getting full (more than 60%) you might consider doing some house cleaning You can also try recording all your lectures in MONO and in a decreased bit rate. That may help. Good luck
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Rednroll Date:6/1/2002 11:28:50 AM Actually RAM has very little to do with Save time. This is more hard drive intensive work. Laptops only have a 5500 RPM drive, which is a bare minimum for audio work. 7200 RPM EIDE is a much faster solution, but I don't think this is available for laptops. A one hour lecture is a lot of audio data to write to the disk. What is the format you recorded the lecture in? 44.1Khz 16 bit stereo is a bit overkill and not necessary for a voice only lecture, and anything higher resolution like 24bit 96Khz is definitely overkill. You could do a resample to something like 22Khz and make sure the it is mono instead of stereo. A 1 hour long 44.1Khz 16 bit Stereo file will be around 600Megs in size. If you reduce this file to 22Khz Mono your size will decrease to 150Megs, and your quality will not suffer, but your save time will be 4 times faster. Rednroll
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: DanielH Date:6/3/2002 1:53:55 PM I guess what I don't understand is that the file is already on the harddirve is it not, as a temp file. So if you are just giving it a name does it take so long? Dan
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Rednroll Date:6/3/2002 10:19:35 PM And when you edit a document in Microsoft Word or Excel and it's a pretty long document, it still takes a second when you hit "Save" to update the file and re-save it to the hard drive, although that file too was already on your hard drive right? And those changes don't get permanently saved until you click "Save" right? So now your file size is 600 times larger, so why are you surprised by this? Maybe if it was as easy as changing a temp files extension then I guess you better let companies like Microsoft and Sonic Foundry in on your programming "Save" secret. :-)
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: DanielH Date:6/4/2002 9:31:17 AM If I made changes I would expect it to take time to save the file, but can you explain to me how I can record Video with Audio for upto 2hrs.in Vegas and hit the save button and am able to go to the next clip almost instantanously. May be I should do my recording in Vegas. I am just trying to understand the differeces. Dan
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Sonic Date:6/4/2002 12:25:45 PM If it is a single take and you are not trying to save to a different format, then yes, it should be very fast. If you've, say, trimmed the beginning of the file, created multiple takes, or done significant processing such that there isn't "room" in the existing recorded file for everything, we have to re-save the whole thing based on the current edit history. Might want to make sure the float temp file pref is turned off. And if you used the pre-6.0a internal pref hack bug fix, be sure you've backed it out.
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Running_Fox Date:6/7/2002 10:36:19 AM Okay, this is a long response but I think you will get something from it. Well, I've often wondered the same thing. I guess the reason I do is because of the Nero Editor program which comes along with it's CD Burner program. I myself do the same kind of lecture recordings but in addition, music as well. Actually, they are church services which include the Pastor's preaching, the lecture part, and music both voice and orchestra. Recording times are always at least 1hr 10 minutes but usually 1hr 25 minutes. At first, I recorded my files at 16bit 44khz stereo and quickly realized that was over kill. 16bit 22khz mono works excellant. No quality loss that a normal ear would notice. I have been running Sound Forge since version 4.5 for about 3 years and recently tried a DEMO 5.0. It happened one recording session when we had just setup a new computer system and somehow I had misplaced the install CD for Sound Forge and the old system was down and I had only 30 minutes 'til recording time. A freind had his demo copy of Nero CD burner so we installed it and I used the Editor program to record the session. Afterward, I was just going to save the file and move it over to Sound Forge for editing but thought for the fun of it, I would just check out Nero. I could not believe it! Any edits are done instantly! Even on those very large files be it 16bit 44khz stereo or whatever! What I do initially is record in Nero and do all the basic editing and cuts which only takes about 5 minutes or less as oppossed to Sound Forge which takes me over 30 minutes or more. For further refinements I move the file to Sound Forge of course to use those wonderful editing features that ONLY Sound Forge has. I save a bundle of time and aggravation waiting for those long writes. Remember those tiny little edits like deleting less than a second of bad noise and hitting the enter key? Pain, so much pain, waiting for SF to save each little edit. You are chaffing at the bit to quickly get to the next tweak. You have all those edits to do and you are on a schedule to get it done before you go home. I heard SF 6.0 is supposed to be faster... I read some of the other responses you got on this one but Nero does something that Sound Forge doesn't. How? Who knows and who cares? It seems clunky to have to go to another application for something SF should be able to do more quickly but the time savings is so fantastic and no aggravation that it is well worth it. Nero is a low priced program compared to SF and is worth at least trying their demo to see what I'm talking about. Spec times on a 1 hour 17 minute 802Mb 16bit 44khz Stereo Wav file using NERO'S Editor: Load file into Nero Editor - Time required: 33:18 seconds (Not minutes) Perform any kind of edit - Time Required: instantly Undo - Time Required: instantly Save file in same format - Time Required: 3 minutes 18 seconds (includes setting up peaks for continued editing of file) Actual save time was 2 minutes 45 seconds. Of course Nero is far lacking in features but it does have the basic fair of needful editing tools. Compared to Sound Forge as an editor, forget it, Sound Forge is the king of kings in that price range. The Germans know what they are doing when it comes to saving you time in editing. I only wish the people at Sonic could figure that out. Trace
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Sonic Date:6/7/2002 12:26:08 PM We did figure it out <g>. Sound Forge 6.0 uses a non-destructive editing engine. Try the demo!
Subject:RE: Save File takes a long time... Reply by: Rednroll Date:6/7/2002 9:14:38 PM Maybe if he would have spent less time and got to the point of the post, instead of giving a life documentary, then he could spend more time reading about Sound Forge 6.0 and learn about the non-destructive editing features. When you get that long winded explaining something, then why would he really need short save times. He could hit save on a 1 gig file and still be done before he finished on an explaination of why the sky is blue.

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