I just had a long off-forum discussion with john meyer about this topic. He was helping me with an issue when going from HD to SD for DVD. I sent him a video clip of my source footage which I believed (based on my video camera manual) to be 60i. But he told me it was in fact 30fps progressive.
He said:
"The field order reported by the video header, which is what you see in Vegas, means absolutely nothing. You can check field order within Vegas this way:
1. Match project properties.
2. In project properties, double the frame rate (in this case to 59.940 (Double NTSC))
3. In project properties, change field order to None (progressive).
4. In project properties, set full-resolution rendering quality to "best," and change "deinterlace method" to "none."
5. Make sure you have the video preview quality set to "Best-Full"
6. Make sure that resample for the event you want to check is set to "smart" or "forced."
Now, use the cursor keys to go forward one "frame" at a time. You will actually now be looking at individual fields that have been bobbed. If the clip is interlaced, you will see horizontal movement between each and every frame/field. If the clip is progressive (as your clip is), you will see no horizontal movement between each pair of fields, only a slight up/down "bob".
The point is to make individual frames out of each video field. When you do this, you can move through the video one "frame" (which is actually a field) at a time. With progressive video, each field is taken at the same moment in time. Therefore when you do this operation on progressive video, you will see no movement whatsoever between each "frame," although you will see a slight up/down motion between fields from the same frame because, of course, they are located in different points in space.
When you do this with interlaced video, you will see obvious motion between each "frame." This is not subtle in any way, and the results are totally different than you get from progressive video."
So I went through this procedure with a video clip he sent me that was true 60i and my clip that is supposedly progressive. I looked for this movement that he described and didn't see it at all (I don't know exactly what I'm looking for) The only thing I did see was what you see during fast motion on interlaced video, the horizontal lines. When I told him this, he said,
"you did something wrong. There should be absolutely no herring bone pattern in the interlaced video (i.e., my clip)."
So now I'm really thrown for a loop. He's saying I shouldn't see the lines, but instead should see horizontal movement. Can anyone shed more light on this issue? I really want to understand it, especially since my camcorder doesn't shoot what it says it does (which is the reason I had so much trouble with crappy quality encodes) I was setting my projects up as interlaced when they weren't.
He said:
"The field order reported by the video header, which is what you see in Vegas, means absolutely nothing. You can check field order within Vegas this way:
1. Match project properties.
2. In project properties, double the frame rate (in this case to 59.940 (Double NTSC))
3. In project properties, change field order to None (progressive).
4. In project properties, set full-resolution rendering quality to "best," and change "deinterlace method" to "none."
5. Make sure you have the video preview quality set to "Best-Full"
6. Make sure that resample for the event you want to check is set to "smart" or "forced."
Now, use the cursor keys to go forward one "frame" at a time. You will actually now be looking at individual fields that have been bobbed. If the clip is interlaced, you will see horizontal movement between each and every frame/field. If the clip is progressive (as your clip is), you will see no horizontal movement between each pair of fields, only a slight up/down "bob".
The point is to make individual frames out of each video field. When you do this, you can move through the video one "frame" (which is actually a field) at a time. With progressive video, each field is taken at the same moment in time. Therefore when you do this operation on progressive video, you will see no movement whatsoever between each "frame," although you will see a slight up/down motion between fields from the same frame because, of course, they are located in different points in space.
When you do this with interlaced video, you will see obvious motion between each "frame." This is not subtle in any way, and the results are totally different than you get from progressive video."
So I went through this procedure with a video clip he sent me that was true 60i and my clip that is supposedly progressive. I looked for this movement that he described and didn't see it at all (I don't know exactly what I'm looking for) The only thing I did see was what you see during fast motion on interlaced video, the horizontal lines. When I told him this, he said,
"you did something wrong. There should be absolutely no herring bone pattern in the interlaced video (i.e., my clip)."
So now I'm really thrown for a loop. He's saying I shouldn't see the lines, but instead should see horizontal movement. Can anyone shed more light on this issue? I really want to understand it, especially since my camcorder doesn't shoot what it says it does (which is the reason I had so much trouble with crappy quality encodes) I was setting my projects up as interlaced when they weren't.