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Grazie wrote on 3/30/2015, 5:55 AM

I'm scoping the Canon BRIDGE camera: SX60hs

It produces these file Types:

Movies MP4 [Video: MPEG-4 AVC / H.264, Audio: MPEG-4 AAC-LC (stereo) recording level can be manually adjusted by user]
iFrame

In these formats - NB: NO interlace, all PROGRESSIVE:-

1] (Full HD) 1920 x 1080, 60 fps / 30 fps
2] (HD) 1280 x 720, 30 fps
3] (L) 640 x 480, 30 fps
4] Super Slow Motion Movie (L) 640 x 480, 120 fps, (M) 320 x 240, 240 fps
5] Miniature Effect (HD, L) 6 fps, 3 fps, 1.5 fps
6] Hybrid Auto (HD) 30 fps
7] iFrame Movie (Full HD) 30 fps

My "choice" would 1] at 30fps, but would would/could I gain from using 60 fps? And how/what you render to to get to PAL DVD?

TIA

Grazie

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 3/30/2015, 7:45 AM

30 fps and 60 fps are generally NTFS foramt, Grazie. Is there any way to set the camera to shoot in PAL formats (25 fps and 50 fps)?

If not, Vegas can probably do a pretty good job of interpolating the frames to 25 fps or 50 fps.

Shooting in 60/50 fps will give you a slightly smoother video if you're shooting a lot of action. If you'd like, you can set up your project for 50 fps and then set up your DVD or BluRay project for 50 fps also.

Grazie wrote on 3/30/2015, 9:15 AM

Thanks Steve.

Yeah, this is the first time I've seen a camera without ANY reference to PAL/NTSC as the preferred format. The only reference is the Review of material from the Camera out to a screen. Then I can select PAL/NTSC.

I've downloaded the Manual and crawled all over it, and there doesn't appear to be an option to make that decision.

Have we reached the end of that PAL/NTSC debate then . . . ? Or has Mr Canon said it is thus?

So, it comes down to getting a match for 30fps / /or 60fps to sit well with PAL DVD STBs.

Hmmm...

Grazie

Chienworks wrote on 3/30/2015, 9:52 AM

"PAL" and "NTSC" refer to very specific format specifications for SD video. The terms don't apply to HD in any way, shape, or form. So, it is actually a good thing that the camera doesn't mention them. The current terms that would be analogous would be "region 50" an "region 60", referring the the power cycle frequency.

If your plan is to make 25fps DVDs then i would shoot at 60. Vegas can then use 5 out of every 12 frames instead of 5 out of 6 and the judder will be much less. The dropped frames will be much smaller gaps more evenly spaced throughout the cadence rather than fewer larger gaps.

diverG wrote on 3/30/2015, 9:55 AM

Fortunately PAL region DVD players will accept & play NTSC.
If 25/50fps is not available why not simply work in ntsc. If you do multi cam work can you switch your other cams/camcorders to ntsc? Otherwise you are adding to your work load.

My old Lumix GH2 came in either PAL or NTSC flavour depending where it was purchased.. A hack was produced that allowed changes to be made.

rraud wrote on 3/30/2015, 10:01 AM

"AAC-LC (stereo) recording level can be "
- Whilst that's a step in the right direction, a second audio recording system should still be factored into the budget. The AAC audio format is.. 'ok', most DSRL camera's microphone preamps and A/D converters just plain suck, so an external audio recording system would be wanted for anything serious.. On the low-budget side, a Zoom or the Tascam DR series are the usual suspects. Neither have pro quality preamps/converters... but a lot better than the DSRL's.

pilsburypie wrote on 3/30/2015, 1:31 PM

I was under the impression SD is very much PAL/NTSC 25/30, so if you wanted to do and SD conversion from your HD footage you were kind of tied to PAL/NTSC HD 50/60.

I was not aware that PAL region DVD players did 30fps, if so that is no problem.

However, a big problem for me recording exclusively in 50p was when I had a small
piece of footage to add to my project in 30p. No matter what I did it looked crap. Suppose the moral is, keep the 25/50 and the 30/60 very separate.

Tom Pauncz wrote on 3/30/2015, 1:45 PM

Just bought a Canon ESO-70D... :-)

From the manual:
Frame Rate:
30/60 NTSC format
25/50 PAL format
24 mainly motion pictures

From what I am seeing, they don't make a distinction between SD and HD.

FWIW,
Tom