Using bins: project takes forever to load

smhontz wrote on 2/18/2015, 5:16 PM
I've got about 75GB worth of 1920x1080 24p 50 Mbps MXF files from a Canon XF 305 camera that I'm trying to organize the footage for. I figured using subclips from the trimmer would be an easy way to classify by shot type, etc.

First, I found out that tags don't work with subclips, and that the Media Manager is apparently not supported any more - couldn't find out anything about it since version 9.

So, I decided to make about 30 bins in the Project Media window, and spent about 8 hours going through my raw footage in the trimmer, creating subclips and putting them in the correct bin.

Now my project takes forever to load - it must be a least half an hour. (I walked away and had dinner and when I came back it was finally loaded.) AND I HAVE NOTHING ON THE TIMELINE - just my clips and subclips in the Project Media window. If I close the Project Media window, and open the project, it opens in 35 seconds. However, if I try to open the Project Media window so I can see my bins, then it hangs again.

This appears to be the same problem as http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=904249

So now I appear to be out of luck. Vegas crashes on me enough that having to wait 30+ mins for it to reload is a non-starter. And all that work of creating subclips and bins appears to be wasted.

Does anyone have any suggestions how to save this, or an alternative workflow to organize my project that won't require the Project Media window to work right?

I used to be proud to show Vegas to my friends, but now I am embarrassed that basic functionality doesn't work.

Comments

rmack350 wrote on 2/18/2015, 6:33 PM
Well... sometimes it seems like SCS implemented subclips and bins grudgingly and half-posteriorly.

You might find that the problem is with the quantity of bins you have. At one point I found that Vegas would lag after creating around 18 bins. There was a tipping point to it.

Another way to skin this cat is to mark out regions instead of subclips. You can set up the Vegas Explorer to show them. This works best (for me anyway) if I've got a few looong takes. Then you can mark regions in the takes. For example, I had a 40 minute interview with a guy who really didn't say a lot but there were worthwhile bits here and there. It was simpler to mark regions that I might want than to try to make subclips and bins.

Also, you can just arrange your clips in regular windows folders and treat the folders like bins. You can see the folders from the Vegas Explorer, which is also where you can see regions.

The Project media window also has some new tools for tagging clips, but it then arranges them into something that looks suspiciously like bins. Maybe you'd have the same problem using tags.

Rob
smhontz wrote on 2/18/2015, 9:24 PM
So, it appears that bins are basically broken.

I created an empty project, with no media at all. I just created 30 empty bins, saved the project and reopened it. It hangs trying to open it.

This happens on two different machines, one running Vegas 12 and one Vegas 13.
Marc S wrote on 2/18/2015, 11:02 PM
I've found Vegas to be very problematic when I use lots of MXF files from my EX1. In general the media bins are very buggy on large projects. I get crashing, clips changing bins, constant redrawing of thumbnails etc. You might try organizing them in windows explorer and then accessing them through the Vegas Explorer. If I have a large projects I tend to use Premiere now as it has no issues with media management.

You might also try installing the old half baked media manager. It was more stable from what I recall than bins on large projects.
smhontz wrote on 2/19/2015, 5:52 AM
I have the media manager installed, but I can't figure out how to make it work with subclips. My project has 10 long actual clips that I need to slice into many short (few seconds) clips. Is there a way to do that in Media Manager?
Marc S wrote on 2/19/2015, 9:01 AM
I don't think it works with subclips. It had potential but it was only half baked before they stopped development.