New Blue Title 2: Positioning objects in Z space

smhontz wrote on 8/17/2013, 1:31 PM
I must be missing something. Is the only way to get one paragraph/shape to be in front of another is to change their order in the timeline at the bottom of the titler window?

I thought if I set the Z Position on "My Text" to, say, 200, and the Z on "My Shape" to -200, "My Text" should be in front of "My Shape". But it only does that if "My Text" is above it in the timeline.

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NormanPCN wrote on 8/17/2013, 7:40 PM
Titler timeline operates just like your video editor timeline. A track above on the timeline is composited after (above) the track below. The NB Titler timeline allows multiple tracks.

The z position really only lets you do things with animation and movement. In other words, NB Titler is not a 3D modeling setup where everything is an object in the same space.
smhontz wrote on 8/17/2013, 8:14 PM
I guess I assumed it would work the way I described because if I make two separate tracks in Vegas and set the Track Motion to "3D Source Alpha", I can move them in Z-space and they do change positions relative to each other, regardless of the order in the timeline.

Oh well - I guess i can just change how they're stacked to solve my problem.
NormanPCN wrote on 8/17/2013, 9:14 PM
Hmm, Interesting. That never works across tracks, I just tried it, so you must be overlapping events on the same a track using the Z position to define the overlap.

I tried this in NB Titler. I did not know you could overlap text on a Titler "track". Never tried it.

Yes, I can confirm that the Z position on the same track does not seem to be honored. The subsequent text event in Titler seems always composted over the previous.

So what did NB support say to you about this?
smhontz wrote on 8/17/2013, 10:03 PM
NormanPCN, try this and see if it doesn't work as I've described. On the Vegas timeline:

1. Track 1 has "Text 1" event.
2. Track 2 has "Text 2" event, just below the event on Track 1.

Text1 is now in front of Text2 because it is higher in the track hierarchy.

3. Set Track Motion on both tracks to "3D Source Alpha".

4. Set the Z position of Track 1 to some positive number, say 100.

Text 1 is now behind Text 2, even though it is higher in the track hierarchy.
NormanPCN wrote on 8/17/2013, 10:55 PM
That is the example I tried, however, my Bad. I had my signs backwards. Obviously my brain also.

I can also confirm that with two Titler Pro tracks the z position seems to only affect "magnification" of an object and not visibility overlay.
jetdv wrote on 8/22/2013, 4:22 PM
I have tried this and see what you are saying. I'll mention it to the proper people.