Chaining Video FX's

SandyG wrote on 4/12/2012, 4:08 PM
Hi, still learning Vegas, and have been messing around with the 'Sony Film Effects' FX and wanted to use multiple effect from this FX.

I clicked the Event FX button on the timeline and added the Film Effects. Since I wanted to have Scratches as well as Jitter I simply added a second event by clicking in the same dialgo the Chain FX which added a second Film Effects to the chain.

The problem is that when you select the first FX the second FX 'Type' (Dust, jitter, Lines, etc) reverts back to the initial setting (Dust). Saving it also cause both to revert to the 'Dust' (Initial) setting.

This is on Version 11 build 595 64 bit

Not sure if this is something I'm doing wrong, or a bug in that the one property (Type) is being not being stored correctly.

Sandy

Do I need to do anything

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Grazie wrote on 4/12/2012, 4:23 PM
Erm? All those parameters are all available within the single FX. Aren't they?

Grazie

SandyG wrote on 4/12/2012, 7:34 PM
The 'Sony Film Effect' lets you select only a SINGLE one at a time, ie Dust, Lines, Jitter, etc. You can't do more then one at at time it seems. For some reason I think in V10 their was one that had them all, but not this one.

Again, could be doing something wrong, but in V11 it looks like you can have only one Film Effect at a time with the Sony one.
altarvic wrote on 4/12/2012, 10:56 PM
Obviously, this is a bug. I just checked in Vegas Pro 9, and I confirm it.
Grazie wrote on 4/12/2012, 11:55 PM
Hah! Shows clearly when the last time I used Film Effects!

Thanks altarvic.

G
SandyG wrote on 4/13/2012, 10:20 AM
Ok, and I'm sure I'm going to get smacked down for this one, but what's the normal process to file a bug report? :)

Sandy
vkmast wrote on 4/13/2012, 10:59 AM
Does it really let you select only a single parameter at a time? Seems to me the parameters are available within a single FX like Grazie says in his first post.
Same build as the OP.
SWS wrote on 4/13/2012, 2:14 PM
All parameters within the same FilmEffects FX work for me in V11.
I'll admit it's a bit "wonky" at times on my system but they can be selected individually.

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johnmeyer wrote on 4/13/2012, 8:02 PM
I have several things to mention.

First, you have definitely discovered a bug in the latest build of Vegas 11.

In Vegas 11 (32-bit), I put two instances of the Film Effects fX onto the same event and verified that if you only select scratches for the first instance and then attempt to select only dust for the second instance of the fX that the first instance now has dust selected as well.

I then did the same thing in Vegas 10, and the bug was not there: each instance of the fX operated independently of the other instance.

Just for grins, I saved the Vegas 10 project and opened it up in Vegas 11. The two instances of the fX were correct and I was able to adjust the settings without the other instance having problems. However, I then removed the two fX and then added them back in. Once again, in Vegas 11, the two instances interacted.

You should definitely report this bug. To do so, you can click on the "Support" link at the top of this page and then follow the links to the bug report page. To save you the effort, here's a direct link:

Bug Report Form

Finally, as others have mentioned, I don't think you really need to add more than one instance of the fX. This may not be obvious because the UI for this fX is really non-intuitive (i.e., unusually bad). The top two sliders have nothing to do with each "particle," so you just set them once. However, for each particle in the drop down list you first enable or disable that particular particle by checking or un-checking the "Enable particles" box. (I have never seen the same checkbox used to affect differently each item in a dropdown list -- this interface UI is just plain weird). You then set the strength of that effect by moving the "Amount" slider. After you do this for one particle, you repeat for each of the remaining particles. I just confirmed that this works in Vegas 11, latest build.


SandyG wrote on 4/13/2012, 10:18 PM
I'm going to have to take a look again at the UI, it sure doesn't seem like I can get to any settings for additional effect (dust, jitter etc). I do know what you are talking about as I have seen it in other versions as being able to do all in the single dialog.

This may be a 64 Bit issue as I just fired up a Vegas V9 Pro on this computer and it has the same issues with the properties being reset as well as no way to select multiple properties of Dust, Jitter, etc.

I have a screen grab of the dialog, but not sure how to post on this forum, but someone running 64bit version might also check, I don't know if I have any 32 bit systems up anymore.

Will file the bug report in any case :)

Sandy
johnmeyer wrote on 4/13/2012, 11:12 PM
This may be a 64 Bit issue as I just fired up a Vegas V9 Pro on this computer and it has the same issues with the properties being reset as well as no way to select multiple properties of Dust, Jitter, etcAre you putting just one instance of the Film Effects fX on the event, or are you putting multiple Film Effects on the same event? As I tried to say above, it works for me in Vegas 11, latest build (and in all earlier builds) if I put one and only one Film Effects fX on the timeline, and then enable/disable each particle by first selecting that particle (like "Dust" or "Scratches"), then checking or un-checking the Allow box, and finally setting the strength of that particle using the slider.
Grazie wrote on 4/13/2012, 11:23 PM
I do know what you are talking about as I have seen it in other versions as being able to do all in the single dialog.

Erm? Have you got the FX Pane open enough? This adjustment control is to the bottom of the Window. If you haven't got it fully expanded then you could be missing out.

G

Duncan H wrote on 4/14/2012, 8:25 PM
Hi Just looked at this in VP 595 64 bit, running on Win 7.

Works fine, but I can see what's reported if you try to add multiple copies of the FX into a chain. As others have explained, I can't see why you would ever need to add multiple copies of the Film FX, as you simply make all adjustments for : dust, jitter, scratches etc on the one FX event, as described by John. Works as it is intended to. Agree, it's not necessarily intuitive, but its definitely no bug, just a curious design GUI IMHO.

Duncan
SandyG wrote on 4/17/2012, 10:32 AM
Yep, window wide open. Are you using 32bit or 64bit version of V11?
SandyG wrote on 4/17/2012, 10:41 AM
Wait, I think I got what you are saying, the dialog displays each individually and the value for each is set when you select it from the drop down. So it does not display individual values at the same time for each of the effects. But you do the drop down then adjust each of the values while selected.

Lightbulb just went off. Yes ODD UI design, and if this is working you are correct, no reason to chain 2 of these FX.

Everyone thanks so much for sticking with my slow pick up of what you were saying, I'll add some notes to the bug report so they don't waste time with and fix other issues ;)

Thanks again!

Sandy
altarvic wrote on 4/17/2012, 10:53 AM
John, thanks for the clear explanation. I agree that this is bad and non-intuitive GUI design